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zaphod42 SE WI 5b (
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Fri, Dec 28, 12 at 10:27
| I started out so well in September with my orders from Pickering and Palatine. Then came the Heirloom order in September where I went a bit off-script, but not too bad. The Pickering news had me going back to the websites and looking at new things. My Rogue Valley order just busted up any cohesive garden layout for this springs new plantings. I'm excited about about all the choices just not sure where they will all find a home. I am trying to re-organize my placement in advance before I forget. Last year I did not do that and ended up planting a couple bareroots where I meant for some later own-root arrivals to go. Here's what I've got so far that I know what to do with -
My Sunshine and Crazy Dottie (my first minis)
Morden Snowbeauty
Ispahan
Munstead Woods
Crested Sweetheart
Blanche Belgique
Ascot (Planting up near house as it is borderline hardy for me. Hopefully it is okay with some hot afternoon sun on occasion)
Gruss an Aachen (Everyone always raves about it here, so... I am wondering about the spring freeze protection note in HMF.) Questions-
How would you compare Queen of Denmark and Duchesse de Montebello in a setting (size wise and bush shape)? One area is a stand-alone spot next to Constance Spry and one spot is more in a corner off towards the back of the yard. Can Rook handle a bit of afternoon shade? Would get lots of early sun, but after about two in summer it would be shaded. I also bought an HT on a whim. (It was from Rogue Valley and I just needed one more for the free rose - which I also don't have a place for currently, but think I will gift as a housewarming present to a friend this spring). I bought Ingrid Bergman. I have a possible spot for her, but it is in front of Hot Cocoa. I'm worried that might be a color clash. I've put Hot Cocoa 'ON NOTICE' this summer to try and not be so weird looking. We'll see how that works out. Will Ingrid stay under 3' per HMF? What is the overall shape? I'm also on the waiting list at Rogue for Crested Damask. I told my husband I was adding 4 to 7 roses only. Only slightly off on that estimate. :) Any suggestions for placement of the above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| Ingrid Bergman is a beautiful rose, both in bush and bloom. Personally I wouldn't place her with Hot Cocoa. I just moved Cinco De Mayo away from Chrysler Imperial for a similar clash. My Ingrid is approx 4' high x 3' wide. |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to this rose. Just not sure where to put her at the moment. Near Hot Cocoa would be easiest. If Ingrid has a nice bush shape, maybe I'll move Hot Cocoa which is just a weird shaped shrub...and I placed her in one of the prime spots off my front door and porch. |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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Zaphod
Where did you get Crazy Dottie? I've been looking for her since mine died several years ago. |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| This is how it happens. First you have a plan and then you have roses. Then you have more roses and then your plan goes out the window. I doubt anyone on this forum still has a plan. It doesn't matter what you plant where because sooner or later you will squeeze in at least two more on either side and/or widen the bed, or something will die and give you a space for something completely different that desperately needs to get planted. And of course, everything that is supposed to get large will stay small and everything that is supposed to be small will get big. |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| Karl-She's at Heirloom and 25% off through the 31st. |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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- Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
Sat, Dec 29, 12 at 12:05
| The best laid plans of mice and men...it's happened to all of us, lol! I learned early on when gardening with my Mom that plans are only good on paper and never in the garden! Something always happens to change them. I have a huge diagram of my beds on graph paper, supposedly to scale, that is so far off now that I'd have to trash it and start over to make it even remotely resemble what's really out there. Color scheme, HA! Not a chance. During my rampant acquisition years that went quickly out the window. It was more, "now where the heck can I squeeze this one in?", than, "where would it look best or fit in with the colors". But you know what, it doesn't matter. I love my garden in all it's riotous jumble of colors and shapes and sizes! |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| I am a planner by nature. I am an oldest sibling. Planning is at least half the fun for me. I like research. My job is part scholarly and part project management. I see my garden as an evolving and changing plan. It is not set in stone, but a plan is super important to how I go about achieving goals. To quote Douglas Adams (the greatest author ever!)- "What we need are clearly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." I developed out of a family of go-with-the-flow-ers and seat-of-their-pants-ers. I recognize the futility of rigidly planning for uncontrollable forces of nature (i.e my family and my garden)...and I'm okay with that...mostly. :) |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| A number of years ago I posted questions about where to place the roses in my new bed, how far apart, colors, etc. Well, now it's a jungle of roses, and I love it! |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| Seil - your words could have easily come from me. One thing I am learning to do, aside from pulling out non-roses to place roses, trimming trees for more sun spots for roses, and finding more "space" in between them, is to "expand" the beds, especially since I have a lot of property. What's another 3 feet onto the "sand" driveway in the back of the house towards the barn, anyways... Lets see - 3' x 60' - that's room for a LOT more roses. Phew, solves the problem of what to do with the 5 sitting, and part of the 4 more coming. |
RE: I was doing so well...I had a plan...back to the drawing boar
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| Well, in the process of some research, I've answered one of my questions. I've decided to place the Duchesse de Montebello in the up-front, stand-alone position. She's lighter on thorns and there were better pics available on overall shrub form so I'm able to better picture her filling that space. |
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