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Posted by kittymoonbeam Sunset 23 So CA (My Page) on Sun, Jan 29, 12 at 1:39
My best repeaters so far are-
Tamora
Abraham Darby
Charlotte
Ambridge rose
Pretty good are-
St. Cecelia
Heritage
Fair Bianca
Shepherdess
Huntington
Sharifa Asma
Jude Obscure had one good spring bloom and then two modest repeats last year but smells so divine!
Kathryn Moreley is heaven sent to look upon but only puts on one big show in spring and maybe a flower now and then in late summer or fall. If the flowers get rained out, that's it for the year. Same goes for the divinely scented Othello. I have room for just a few more where I removed some declining OGRs.
I was thinking about Evelyn or Eglantyne or another sort of pink that might be able to hold its own among these other big plants. Little Shakespeare got swallowed up and had to be moved. I need at least 2 big upright growers and would like something that blooms ok in a dry warm situation if possible.
The rest of the area is big Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals and a large 5x6 Sonia Rykiel. A big Cinderella Fairytale in the corner next to a large Pomponella. I tried Mary rose and sharifa asma but both were too small and got moved to the front next to Tamora and Bianca. I could plant more Ambridge, but would rather have something new. |
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RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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| This isn't an Austin, but it has a similar look--St. Elisabeth of Hungary, aka �rp�d-h�zi Szent Erzs�bet eml�ke. It gets big (can be grown as a climber or *large* shrub). I got a band from Vintage this past fall and it has bloomed repeatedly for me. Repotted into a gallon size pot fairly soon after arrival as it grew so nicely and moved it up to a 3-gallon size pot today (haven't decided on its garden spot yet). Blooms are very, very fragrant and last well. Foliage is dense, dark green, and shiny. Impervious to everything so far in my climate. It is a new and wonderful standout IMHO from Mr. Gergely Mark in Hungary. Vintage is generous with praise for this rose. Melissa |
Here is a link that might be useful: St. Elisabeth of Hungary on HMF
RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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Lady Emma Hamilton is my best repeating Austin. So much so, that I have ordered two more. Golden Celebration is also a good repeater, but needs a little shade in the hottest part of the day. Teasing Georgia is also a good repeater and can take all the hot sun. Daisy |
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| Sophy's Rose is an extremely fast and heavy repeater, can match any small plant that bears large flowers. We don't have extreme heat, though; usually 80s F. |
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| Hi Kitty: Thanks for the info. on repeat Autstin performers. I planted Eglantyne own-root this past summer. Some mentioned that it's a fussy grower, and I agree. The Eglantyne at my zone 5a Chicagoland rose park gives 5 blooms per bush in the spring, versus Krista's over 80 blooms per bush, zone 4b New York. I don't know what's the secret to Eglantyne's success? More acidic soil perhaps? Hoovb posted a pic. of Evelyn in her sunny CA, and it's loaded. I already bought Evelyn for this spring. Kitty, you mentioned Sonia Rykiel as 5 x 5 - I already ordered Sonia Rykiel (but still can change). I didn't know that she gets that big, does Sonia make good cut flower? I planted Radio Times this summer (got lots of cut-flowers). Someone in Australia gave it a 10 for damask fragrance, and I agree. Radio Times is medium to dark pink and many times more vigorous than fussy Eglantyne. Please let me know whether or not Sonia Rykiel lasts long as cut flower, many thanks. |
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| We've planted and removed more Austin roses than I care to think about, so we no longer do that. HOWEVER . . . PROSPERO blooms year 'round, here in Camarillo, CA. It is blooming now. NOTE: We do not prune this rose in any conventional sense. We treat it like a China, basically. It IS looking a little ragged, so as soon as the wind isn't blowing 50 mph, I will trim it up, very lightly, removing any dead growth and retained dead blooms. GOLDEN CELEBRATION repeats through the year in successive "crops." If not deadheaded, it won't re-bloom much. If deadheaded, it does. In our conditions, it does not respond well to shortening of canes, but it does in the winter receive a heavy deadheading, with removal of the old foliage -- so right now, these 6 plants look beautifully bare and sculptural. Jeri Coastal Ventura Co., SoCal |
RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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| Melissa, I am only collecting teas at the moment (well, almost only) but you have really enticed me with your description of Saint Elisabeth of Hungary. The pictures don't hurt, either. I have no idea where I would place it, but Mendocino Rose tells me that I need to keep a stock of replacement roses in reserve should something go wrong. How big does it get for you? And just how impervious to disease is it? And do please tell me about its fragrance. Rosefolly |
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| Hi Rosefolly: Tammy grows Saint E. of Hungary in Tennesse - she posted a nice picture in Rose Gallery. I asked her about fragrance, and Tammy said "yes". |
RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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| Sonia Rykiel in a vase....well I don't cut them so I can't say. I just put the chair next to the bush and lean over and enjoy that amazing perfume. The color+shape+perfume is something that I would have designed myself if I wanted to create a rose. How would the flowers go in a vase because they are in clusters and so big and heavy the way they pull down the canes- wouldn't the vase just tip over anyway? I think they last a long time on the plant so I let them stay because I want to enjoy them as long as possible! |
RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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| In my experience if a rose lasts long on the bush it will usually also last long in a vase. If I might suggest another rose that isn't an Austin, there's Belinda's Dream, a fragrant rose with huge pink blooms that do well in the heat. I have two of them, and they're carefree and beautiful. The flowers also last long in a vase. Ingrid |
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| We have hot dry summers here, and Evelyn and Brother Cadfael probably do best in the heat, repeating pretty well. Jude the Obscure repeats very well, but the blooms wither and shatter quickly in the heat. Golden Celebration also repeats well, but hates the heat. I have grown several Eglantynes and the blooms crisp and fall apart badly when it's hot. One Austin I have great performance hopes for is Young Lycidas. It's only had one summer here and bloomed constantly, and the blooms did hold up well. Hopefully, this will continue. I'm looking forward to trying Princess Alexandra of Kent and Munstead Wood this spring. Diane |
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| When I lived in San Clemente, the English roses that bloomed best for me were probably Comtes de Champagne, which bloomed non-stop throughout the year; Sister Elizabeth, small, perfect, old-rose scented flowers with a touch of lavender colouring; Tamora (although it did get some rust), which had a lovely scent; Heritage (also rust), nearly always in bloom; and Jude the Obscure, perhaps my favourite English rose for it's incredible scent. A non-Engliish rose that I would recommend is the Romanitica rose Yves Piaget, amazing scent and the flowers bloomed non-stop. In too much sun it could fry a bit, but I'd grow it in a second in a warm climate. Cheers, robert |
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| Hi, I translated for you 2 feedbacks on Golden Celebration from the site of an Israeli nursery: 1. An amazing rose. Every rose lover must buy and grow such a rose. Strong, blooms nonstop plus an intoxicating fragrance. (Beersheba) 2. I planted two saplings last year and this year they're full of buds, extremely healthy and particularly promising. It seems they prefer a bit of protection from the daylong blazing sun. (Haifa) On David Austin's site GC appears in the category of 'Shrub Roses for Partial Shade'. I planted one in partial shade 10 days ago in view of these recommendations. I think it probably repeats well in warm climates but should be protected in midday. I think the ideal condition for it is morning sun & perhaps some late afternoon sun as well. |
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| WinterCat, that's how we grow Golden Celebration. Morning sun, afternoon shade. And it occurs to me that I should mention that Prospero crisps in hot, DRY weather. So did The Squire. So those with desert-like conditions might avoid those, OR at least provide afternoon shade. Jeri |
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| Bianca wasn't a good rose for me until I moved her to early morning sun and quit pruning her. Now I just tie the canes to bamboo stakes where I want if they are too tall. Breaking off old blooms works the best. This rose has done so well since I put away the pruners. Brother C. looks really good. I need a big rose for one of the spots between a Kathryn Moreley and a Baronne Prevost. I did try W. Shakespeare there but it never got enough height. Charlotte takes the heat and the midday sun well and Ambridge looks best in morning sun. Abraham likes the full sun just fine. He looks great right now in front of my tangerine tree. I had St. Cecelia in midday sun but the colors are better in morning sun. Same goes for Sharifa Asma. That's the dilemma isn't it- who gets that coveted morning sun spot. |
RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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| Some of Austin's climbers can also be grown as taller shrubs--or is it that they are taller shrubs that can also be grown as climbers? Oh, well, you get it. Anyway, I've ordered two climbers for spring that fall into that category: Austin's The Pilgrim and Austin's St. Swithun. If I remember the catalog descriptions right, they are disease-resistant, good re-bloomers, and can handle the heat. My region is so different from yours that I hesitate to make too strong a recommendation--though I'm very excited about getting both of them. Kate |
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 20:17
| Molineux and Sophy's Rose. 'Molineux' keeps up with 'Iceberg', which is saying something. 'Bishops Castle' has been surprisingly good as well. I usually don't get great repeat from Austin's pinks, but this one has been impressive. Powerful heavenly fragrance as well, which 'Molineux' and 'Sophy' don't have. |
RE: best repeating Austins for warm climates
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| I'll second hoovb's vote for 'Molineux'. It even has a few flowers on it right now, plus a number of buds coming along. It keeps right on blooming throughout the summer as well. It does get a bit of black spot in my climate, but not more than I can live with. |
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