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The Hostess With The Mostest

Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 13:13

What rose do you have more than 1 of?

Do you have the rose in a hedge or spread throughout the garden?

3 Belinda's Dream in 3 different areas of my garden.
I may acquire more.

2 Koko Loko

This post was edited by mauvegirl8 on Fri, Feb 22, 13 at 13:53


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  • Posted by catspa NoCA Z9 Sunset 14 (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 13:35

I have 3 of Madame Alfred Carriere, grown 3 different ways: spread across a pergola, over a trellis (a lot of work, but the most spectacular bloomer of the three), and up a tree. I love them all.

~ Debbie


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I have several multiples

2 Marie Pavie
2 Gertrude Jeckyll
2 Barbara's Pasture Rose
2 Leander
8 Perle d'Or (grown as a hedge)

I actually used to have 6 Belinda's Dream, also as a hedge, but it was very disease prone here and I removed it.

Rosefolly


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 14:55

Two Double Delights and pPinocchios, one planted, one potted each. Not a lot of room so I don't go for doubles much. There are just too many I want!


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I have some that I like rather a lot.;)

Of Rosa minutifolia I have 8!!!! Five are the more common (of a somewhat rare species) pink form but 3 are the white-flowered R. minutifolia 'Pure Bea', an introduction of the Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden in Claremont, CA and only available from them very occasionally. Generally R. minutifolia has flowers with 5 petals, but I've seen a pink-flowered plant which produces 6 and 7 petalled-flowers.

Love this rose which often doesn't even look like a rose. The foliage reminds me of a fern and looks fuzzy, and as the name implies, "minute". Thorny as all get out, and a water-sipper of the first degree. R. minutifolia is happiest with NO summer water, in which case it goes dormant and does its impression of a pile of dead sticks. Then the first rainstorm comes along and it immediately wakes, turns green, and starts to flower! Most definitely a repeat-bloomer. Prefers full sun, no mulch, and little to no fertilizer. Native to California but now sadly extirpated in its last wild CA stand in the San Diego area. However, it is still found wild in Baja California and maintained in botanic gardens which are preserving it (like RSABG or the Santa Barbara Botanic Garden).

I went to the Great Rosarians of the World program at the Huntington earlier this month, and noted species rose expert Dr. Walter Lewis said (per my notes) that R. minutifolia, according to DNA work by a colleague of his at the University of Montreal, appears to be the oldest rose species in the world.

Rosa californica. I have 4 (but likely to add more). Two are R. californica 'First Dawn' which is a very pale pink, cupped, and extremely fragrant introduction from Suncrest Nurseries, CA. This rose is the second most prolific repeater in my whole garden (second only to Cassie/Snowbelt). It flowers practically year-round. Blooms in massive sprays of delicate pink whose wafting scent perfumes the whole garden. Then sets hundreds of hips (that taste among the best I've ever tried). Likes a bit of shade, moderate summer water, little to no fertilizer. I also have R. californica 'Los Berros', an introduction of Native Sons Nursery, CA and named for the road in Arroyo Grande, CA on which it was found growing. Has very big flowers (for this species) which vary from a medium to a dark pink.

Los Berros tends to produce one flower or two at the end of a cane and doesn't repeat very much. Flowers extremely fragrant though. Leaves are bigger than on First Dawn and also feel "plushy". The last one I have has no cultivar name. It's a nice medium pink, quite fragrant, and in the flower size is between that of First Dawn and Los Berros. Does well in shade.

Then there is Rosa alabukensis of which I have 3. A small mound of green covered with small single light yellow flowers scented of linseed oil in the spring. Cute as a bug's ear and kind of reminds me of a smaller version of Rosa primula (although the foliage isn't incense scented). Has lots of little dark green leaves (spinosissima type) and copious thorns. Thrives in hot, dry heat and low water. Has an acquisitive nature (which is why I already have 3.....). Some modest repeat bloom.

Mermaid. I have 3. Species cross. A monster of a rose. Capable of eating trees, cars, and buildings, and deterring even the most persistent of interlopers with her mighty fangs. Vigorous beyond belief!!! Will grow and flower quite happily in a fair amount of shade. Suckers!!! Wear protective gear when approaching unless one desires clawed-up arms.;) Single pale yellow flowers and almost continuous bloom in my area. Dark green healthy foliage. Doesn't need fertilizer but does appreciate some summer water.

R. foetida 'Persiana'. I have 2. Got the first one at Eurodesert and liked it so much that I bought another from High Country Roses. A double yellow rose of an intensity of color like none other I've ever seen. Instead of fading in the sun, it gets BRIGHTER! Buds start out very, very green, then change to cream, and then go into yellow. As the flower opens and the sun hits it, the color starts to pop! Of course not all care for the linseed oil fragrance, but it smells like healthful food to me. A different experience in the rose garden to be sure, yet pleasant for me. May repeat a little if the spirit moves it.;) Low water, scant fertilizer. Contrary to reports I've read on the web about this rose's susceptibility to blackspot, I've seen not a speck of disease of any kind on its leaves (but other roses do blackspot (and rust up the wazoo) in my garden quite near to this one, oddly enough).

Golden Border, a floribunda. I have 2. Flowers are small, fragrant, and many-petalled. In the style of an Austin in miniature. Few thorns. Modest in size and grows in a vase-like shape. Quite healthy and trouble free. Dry heat tolerant. Low fertilizer requirements. Bought 1 from Eurodesert and liked it so much I was back almost immediately to buy the second mother plant.

Photo of R. minutifolia 'Pure Bea' below.

Melissa


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Melissa -- That's lovely. I wish my climate was suitable for minutifolia -- but it's not.

Probably not good for Persiana, either, darnit. And I do enjoy the smell of linseed oil. (Takes me back to classes where I TRIED to be comfortable working with oil paints.)

We do, however, have 6 Golden Celebrations.
Perhaps 12 Grandmother's Hat.
6-7 International Herald Tribune.
3 Prospero.
3 Roseville Noisette

There may be a few others I'm not thinking of just now.

Jeri


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  • Posted by catspa NoCA Z9 Sunset 14 (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 16:52

Melissa, you are a brave woman. I had a Mermaid, but chickened out after watching it grow over just one year...

I forgot to mention earlier that I also have two Alba Odorata in the ground and another one in a pot (even after giving two to my sister for added security for her fence -- a higher percentage of cuttings "took" than I expected). It's a R. bracteata and tea hybrid, too, like Mermaid, but oddly seems less ferocious to me. Maybe it's because my plants in the ground are taking off more slowly than that Mermaid did. Still, long grasping canes and giant, viciously-curved, injury-inflicting prickles all over, so not to be discounted. And the parent plant was of impressive size.

~Debbie


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Duplicates in my garden:

Louis Phillipe--11
Mrs. B.R. Cant--3
Westerland--2
Reve d'Or--3
Sombreuil--3
Perle d'Or--2
Belinda's Dream--4. I had many more but lost them to a cane die-back disease.
Clotilde Soupert--3 bush and 3 climbing
Crepuscule--3
Rosette Delizzy--3

I also try to keep duplicates of all my roses in case I lose any to nematodes. I'm not always successful at that, though.


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Melissa, what a great report on your roses. They all sound fascinating, but Rosa minutifolia and Rosa foetida 'Persiana especially so. You do know your roses, and I admire this and learned something today, too. Thanks for your post.
I have multiples of the following:

Evelyn--5
Bernstein-Rose--3
Sisters Fairy Tale--3
Ebb Tide--3
Stephans Big Purple--2
Julia Child--2
Ascot--2
Eglantyne--2

All modern roses. Diane


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Souvenir de la Malmaison 2
Belinda's Dream 2
Madame Dore 2
Mrs. B.R. Cant 2
Le Vesuve 4
Sophy's Rose 2
Mr. Bluebird 4
Mrs. Dudley Cross 2
La France 2
Baptiste Lafaye 2
Leveson-Gower 2

I never realized I had so many multiples. I hope that doesn't denote a lack of imagination!

Ingrid


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Alba Odorata --- Debbie, you are a brave woman. I wish I had video of the day I walked too close to a big, very old, wholly-untended Alba Odorata in an old cemetery. Wearing a long, full skirt.

Took two guys to extricate me.

It's a rose I admire, respect, and fear.

Jeri


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Melissa, I would love to see photos of your two different Rosa californicas. Do you have some?
Daisy


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I definitely doubled up on my most fragrant. The last two were doubles because I couldn't resist the price.

Chrysler Imperial (3)
Crimson Glory (3)
Double Delight (2)
Fragrant Cloud (2)
Young Lycidas (2)
Just Joey (2)
Miss All American Beauty (2)
cl. St. Joseph Coat (2)


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3 Clotilde Soupert (2 bushes, 1 climber)
2 Chrysler Imperial
3 Souv de la Malmaison
2 Peach Drift
2 Red Drift
2 Sweet Chariot
2 White Pet
2 Borderer
2 Maman Cochet (1 bush, 1 climber)

Floridarosez, do your Rosette Delizys get botrytis? If yes, how badly? I've just had 2 rosarian friends in Brooksville say theirs do and mine did. I have a new one that I'll probably take out in light of this news.

Sorry, Mauvegirl, no hijack meant. Great post.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...


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3 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' (1 graft, 1 a bought own-root, 1 a self-layering which I couldn't bear to just dig up and throw away; the bought own-root is the largest plant, by far, but I'm sure the own-root self-layering will catch up with it).

4 'Roger Lambelin' (not because the variety does well for me--just the opposite--it's so skimpy and parsimonious with flowers that I thought four plants would bring me four times the number of blossoms (I find its blossoms particularly fascinating). Now I have four skimpy and parsimonious plants . . . which, if they don't "pay their rent" this year, are serious candidates for being sent to the great rosarium in the sky.

2 'Faberge' (truly one of the great roses of all time; but I only have two because the first one I bought looked like it wasn't going to make it, so, as a precaution, I bought another. Now the "dying" one is a magnificent five feet tall; and the other one not far behind.

2 'Joasine Hanet'/'Portland from Glendora'. A wonderful, distinctive rose.

Then there are the clumps which have a greater or lesser number of offsets at a greater or lesser distance from the original: 'Duchesse d'Angouleme', 'Papa Vibert', 'Miranda', 'Smoky', 'Pergolese'.


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Sherry, no, they don't, but they did get my unknown cane die-back disease. My B's Dreams have gotten botrytis after several days of rainy, cloudy weather but not Delizzy.


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Souv de Malmaison 2 bush, 1 cl
Gertrude Jeckell - 2
2 Belinda's Dream
2 Crown Princess Margaret
2 cl Clothilde Soupert
2 Old Blush
I have doubles of each because I truly love them, exceptGertie. She gets more bs than I would like.
But, her spring bloom is really nice and smells great.


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FWIW, Our Rosette Delizy has never had botrytis problems. It's a wonderfully colorful rose here near the coast, and is completely trouble-free for us.

And, now I think about it -- HAS been trouble free for more than 20 years. (Originally purchased from ARE. Own-Root.)

Jeri


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Hi Daisy,

Yep, I have lots of photos of both Los Berros and First Dawn (as well as a few of the one without a cultivar name--somewhere--plus additional pics of various R. californicas that my local botanic garden has which were collected in counties throughout the state--also *somewhere*). I wish gardenweb allowed posting of multiple pics directly from one's computer so that I could more easily post a series of shots for comparison. Since I haven't uploaded most of them to photo sites.

From what I have on Flickr:

Rosa californica 'First Dawn'
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Rosa californica 'Los Berros'
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Below is the first flower on a new baby plant in a 1 gallon container of Rosa californica purchased at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden's Grow Native Nursery. I'll have to look at the pot (which I kept) to see who grew it, but as best I recall it was Moosa Creek Nursery. I believe they have some in stock now from El Nativo Growers (in pots next to First Dawn from Suncrest--and the plants even without flowers look different). Sometimes they have some in stock that were grown from collections made on the grounds, including thornless R. californica.

Melissa


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I have multiples of several roses, not counting those who have spread by themselves, such as countless Charles de Mills and two large thickets of the very common double white spinosissima of a variety called White Rose of Finland in Scandinavia:

4 Agnes
3 Marianne
3 Hansa
9 Amber Queen
6 Bernstein-Rose
6 Irene of Denmark
6 Iceberg
3 Elena
8 Jan Spek
8 Mevrouw Nathalie Nypels
2 Yellow Westerland (aka Korona)
3 Salzaquelle
6 Bonica
3 Karen Blixen

The photo shows a part of the largest thicket of Double Whites. We have problems keeping it from straying over to the pavement.


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3) Blanc Double de Coubert

2) New Zealand

2) Pretty Jessica

If it performs well this season, I'd love to acquire more plants of 'Gruss an Coburg'...The fragrance is SO incredible! I'm really excited about it!


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lovely pictures, day dreams are free

I was inspired when looking up
the origin of the phrase in the title:

Perle Reid Mesta (nee Skirvin), was an American socialite who reportedly threw the most lavish of parties, soirees, & receptions.

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mariannese, that photo is so gorgeous. I wonder if you have rebloom on this variety; it really is a beautiful (and obviously very vigorous) rose.

Ingrid


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No rebloom, Ingrid, only the occasional late flower, a feature of many of the spinosissimas. It has very good fall color though, in russet, greyish purple, ochre and sometimes bright red depending on the weather. Hips are black and shiny.


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That must be very beautiful to see a large bush such as this one turn into beautiful fall colors. I hope it also has a long period of spring bloom.


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Thank-you for the photos Melissa.
Your description of Rosa californica First Dawn caught my attention.
"Extremely fragrant" and "prolific repeater" are phrases that I love to hear about roses.
In my small garden, these are attributes I need when it comes to choosing a new rose.
Daisy


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Rotesmere - seven, six from suckers.
Rose de Rescht - two with one from a sucker
The Mayflower - five with 3 from suckers
Westerland - two, one for each side of the arbor

These are spread out in my garden.


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getting a good thicket going of D.White myself.
There is only one rose I have in multiples, although there are a few doubles knocking around. I have 4 plants of what seems like a small and nondescript pink- certainly no fragrance, but Sommerwind (aka Sussex) is a truly great landscape rose. Literally continuous for months, never a smidgeon of disease (a complete rarity) and lasts as a spray in a vase for a fortnight. The blooms have a perfect rounded form in miniature.
The most reliable little rose I know - I grow it on the edges of the veggie beds (it looks fabulous with red cabbage and curly parsley).


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