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| If you had to choose, which would you choose and why? Fragrance, repeat and black spot are issues, mildew is rarely an issue, and rust is no issue at all (neither are thorns - I just deal with them). Cath |
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- Posted by lola-lemon none (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 17:40
| I haven't grown BC, but I'm throwing out Gertrude as soon as the snow melts. She was fine the first year, then the next she had puny canes that were half horizontal half upright. the years after that she started throwing huge fishing pole canes like I've never seen before. And they only bloom on their ends- 3 feet over my head. She's not a very good bloomer anyway, which is my main complaint. I am going to give her to my brother and let her do her thing behind his shed. Maybe in 10 years she'll make a big shrub of herself, but I don't have the time or room for her. |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 18:29
| You can get more blooms out of Gertrude by pegging but not a better rebloom. Brother C. has beautiful blooms. I have to say though that it never performed well for me. I still have it after years but it has not been vigorous or floriferous. Maybe someone else has had better luck. |
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| Brother Cadfael is one of the best roses in my garden. I have grown him in two different locations for many years with equally good results. BC grows huge fairly quickly for me, and the large blooms are gorgeous and highly scented. Repeat is good for an Austin. We don't get blackspot here so I can't give an opinion on that. I've my posted my BC photos several times on the forum, but I guess I'll do it one more time. Diane |
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| Brother Cadfael is on the left. Here is a close up. Diane |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 0:30
| divine fragrance = Gertrude Jekyll |
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| I've never grown either but have read many times here that Gertrude is a stingy bloomer with long octopus arms, so not a rose I'd ever consider, although I have smelled her, and the fragrance is very nice. The flowers to me are not the most beautiful, but that's a matter of taste. Diane, your Brother Cadfael is to die for. Lovely pictures! Ingrid |
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| A lot of people have excellent good luck with Brother Cadfael. Mine is not at all vigorous though. Perhaps I have a puny clone. I frequently must prune out canes with dieback. Sometimes I consider starting over with a fresh plant. So far I've been busy elsewhere. I really like Gertrude Jekyll, but then, I consider it to be a once bloomer which, like some other once bloomers, occasionally graces me with an extra bloom or two out of season. Neither rose would make my cut for a three dozen rose garden, something I keep at the back of my mind. Rosefolly |
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| The Brother is my favorite rose. I just love him. He gets very tall and upright here. Has a scent to die for. Very few thorns. Have started several of them by just putting a cutting into the ground and watch him grow. He was my first DA rose and I will always have him in my garden. |
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| Nanadoll that Brother Cadfael is stunning. I have read in HMF comments that New England summers are not cold enough for Brother Cadfael so maybe he is not designed for warm climates. Rosefolly, I take your comment seriously. What I need is a black spot resistant, well repeating, very fragrant, large flowered and large ( 4-6'), medium to deep pink rose. Here "large" is not a bad word. Sometimes it's a necessity for survival and, of course, not as large as in a warmer climate. Can anyone suggest another rose meeting these criteria? Cath |
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| We have very hot summers here, so I don't see how cool summer temps plays any role in Brother Cadfael's growth here in Idaho. Diane |
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| If I were you, I would seriously consider Huntington Rose--those big fat blooms and it is supposed to be very disease-resistant, nice fragrance. If I had more room, I'd definitely get one. Scepter'd Isle is lighter than you evidently want, but other than that, it has everything you want in your rose. I've got one on order for this spring and am looking forward to a great rose, according to many posters on this forum. Some other promising ones you might look at: St. Swithun or Strawberry Hill or Wisley--but maybe they aren't pink enough. In that case, check out Young Lycidas--definitely dark pink and highly praised by a number of posters on this forum. And there is The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild which I know nothing about but love its pic in the austin catalog. Harlow Carr is another one that looks interesting but other than that I know nothing about it either. Hope that gives you come alternate choices. Austin seems to be better in the pale to medium pink range, at least at the height you prefer. Speaking of height, I just remembered the richly pink Hyde Hall--tall and very disease resistant. Good for hedges I know--don't know how it would work as a speciman or in the middle of a cottage garden or something like that. Good luck--searching is sometimes half the fun of rose-mania! Kate |
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| Thank you all for your responses, both negative and positive. The negative seemed to predominate so, since this was the last decision before placing orders which are on the late side as it is, I punted and ordered Mme. Isaac Periere. I have been wary of her because her sport, Mme Ernest Calvat, in a nearby garden is almost always ratty. After rereading all the posts the positive replies stand out and I want all three. Isn't that always the way? Anyway if madam does not work out, I will know to next try Brother Cadfael. Thanks again. Cath |
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