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Posted by judith5bmontreal (My Page) on Thu, Feb 4, 10 at 17:58
I was very excited to see Yolande D'Aragon offered at Pickering this fall and ordered her right away (enabled by Olga's beautiful photos). Today I received an email from them stating that YD was not available "after grading and inventory"! I am so disappointed. Did anyone else get the same bad news as I did?
Judith |
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RE: Yolande D'Aragon
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Judith, she's around. If you can start cuttings, you might want to go that route. Here in SoCal, I finally gave up on her because she wanted to grow very tall, and bloom right at the top. But in a colder climate, that might not be a problem, and she is among the loveliest and most-fragrant of roses. JEri |
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YdA is very easy to root. I can send you cuttings some time in spring or try to root them for you. Olga |
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| Thanks for your comment, Jeri. Unfortunately, the only place that offered her for sale in Canada was Pickering. I fell in love with her from the photos I've seen - I had planned to grow her against a fence sort of fanned out on a trellis, for more laterals and more blooms. Olga, thanks so much for the offer of cuttings this spring. I've sent you an email:) Judith |
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| Judith, if I were going to grow her again, that's exactly what I would do. Jeri |
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| I too was enabled by Olga's pics of yolande......Pickering wasn't offering her at the time, but Hortico here in Canada has her. I purchased mine there a few years ago. Might might look into that... Mark |
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I just checked Hortico and they no longer carry Yolande.. Sorry for the bad info....... Mark |
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| If you're willing to purchase from the U.S. there are a couple of nurseries that have it: Rogue Valley and Roses Unlimited. To me, this has got to be one of the most photogenic roses ever. Notice how sometimes the beauty of a rose depends on who took the picture and when? Almost every picture I've seen of Yolande has been drop dead gorgeous. And pictures are all I've ever seen. I ordered it once, late in the year and planted it in the ground rather than growing it on. Normally this wouldn't have been a problem in my Zone 9. But right after planting it we had the coldest wettest winter ever, and Yolande didn't make it. I'll try again someday. Good luck! |
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Jeri, it's good to know my plan was a reasonable one - so many of my 'best-laid' ones turn out to be disasters:) Thanks Mark, even if they DID offer her, I haven't yet given in to Hortico's amazing website, for various reasons. Bellegallica, oh, if I could I would! They have lovely roses there, but they don't ship to Canada. Sorry your Yolande didn't make it, you must have been so sad - maybe the bone-chilling cold and good frozen snow cover up here will suit her more than just plain old cold and wet.... Judith |
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| About the height of this rose: For the first couple of years mine wanted to shoot up tall the way Jeri described. I tried training it horizontally but found it too stiff. So then I moved it to a different location and began to cut it off at about 4-4 1/2 feet. Since then it has given up its tendency to climb for the sky. Now its blooms are mostly around eye level. I like it very much, and here it is pretty healthy. I grow it right next to Pierre de Ronsard, which I also grow as a large shrub very satisfactorily. Rosefolly |
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| Northland Rosarium has Yolande D'Aragon. I don't know if they ship to Canada, but Spokane is not that far away, so they might. Heirloom Roses in Oregon also has Yolande D'Aragon and they say all payments are to be made in U.S. funds, so they might ship to Canada. You could check out their website or e-mail them for more information. I've ordered from Heirloom Roses before and had excellent service :) |
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Lavender lass, I'm pretty sure they would not be permitted to ship anything with soil across the border, as in potted own roots. Too bad, because otherwise there are a lot of U.S. own root nurseries I would like to order from. On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing.... Thanks anyway, Judith |
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| Judith, I had the same experience like Jeri with Yolande, and am even more hesitant to recommend this rose. I grew mine in North Carolina for a few years, and it came grafted from Ashdown. I remember that Trish actually cautioned me to expect much of Yolande's growth habit. Yolande is a very tall, upright and leggy plant which in the spring will give you a few blooms on the very tip of its few long canes, but barely any rebloom, at least not in a hot climate. If you're lucky you'll get a couple of flowers in the fall. I've tried pruning her down, sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes not at all, and none of this made any significant positive difference, neither in terms of controlling legginess and filling out the bush, nor in terms of enhancing rebloom. Also, Yolande's oversized light green leaves are very much on the less attractive side of things and do not make those leggy stems look any better. It really is a poorly proportioned and very unattractive plant, except for its flowers. And it is immensely prone to BS. Now, its flowers, which are for very good reason usually all you see on photos, are very big and pretty, and they smell good. However, I always thought they they are overrated in both categories. There are many roses that to my nose smell a lot more delicious and stronger, and also many that to my eye are just as or more beautiful, in terms of flower shape, color, leaves, growth and all. Maybe Yolande will perform and look better for you in a cooler climate, but I doubt there'll be that much of a difference, given its extreme habit. If you manage to get a plant, maybe you can report back to us. Sorry to disappoint, and good luck! Andrea |
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Andrea, the gowth pattern you describe, is only when you don't prune Yda. This rose likes to be pruned here and will give you bushy plant covered with blooms from the bottom to the top, if you prune it. By prunning here I mean taking more then 2/3 of each cane off. The amount of blooms it producess this way is amazing and they are huge. Just each spring prune it to ~4-5 feet, that is all. It also repeats reasonably with this approach, but needs to be well waterd for repeat. Many OGRs will be leggy and bloom only at the ends, if not pruned properly. This is not a rose problem, but more like find the right way to take care of it. Olga |
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| Sorry, Olga, but no. I know how to prune. And I pruned this beanstalk of a rose. Plenty and substantially. And it didn't make any significant difference. The plant always kept its long upwards habit and never filled out in any satisfactory manner. It was always well watered and well fed (never too much though) and well sprayed like all my roses, and it still looked ugly and attracted BS despite the spraying. The flowers are big and nice, yes. But so are many others. I have been growing many OGRs over the years, and this is one of the ugliest in terms of growth pattern, leaves and proportion, by a long shot. I'd be happy to recommend a lot of OGRs, but not this one. Sorry! Andrea |
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| Perhaps there is more than one clone out there? Andrea, I absolutely do believe that that you know what you are doing and did what you said, but my experience is more like Olga's. When I prune this rose off to 4 feet, it sends up more canes from the base, thickening that way, not by branching out. It remains upright, but has given up trying to reach for the roof. Also here it seems relatively disease free, no doubt a function of my dry summer garden. I spray with copper once in the winter at pruning time. Rosefolly |
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And my YdA came from Ashdown :) Here it needs to be sparayed of course (almost everything does), but otherwise it is happy and healthy plant. Very rewarding and fragrance is to die for. Olga |
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Thanks for all your opinions, folks. Everyone has had a different experience with this rose, and I guess the only way to find out how she'll do here is to grow her in my garden. For those blooms, it is certainly worth giving it a try. Thanks again, Judith |
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Judith, I grow her and because I don't winter-protect her she loses about a third of her size each winter (but probably because of the mandatory spring pruning is fairly bushy). By mid-summer mine is about 4 feet tall and maybe 3 ft. wide...not bad for zone 4. The fragrance is amazing and strong....I can smell it from across the yard. She has a luscious scent that has to be inhaled to be believed. I had longed for this rose for years before I got her and was afraid she wouldn't live up to the hype, but I have no regrets. Mine came from Ashdown so if there does happen to be different 'clones', I seem to have gotten the one Olga has and loves. I hope someday you can get her for yourself. Celeste |
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Oh, Celeste, thanks for that delicious description of her! Olga has kindly offered cuttings of her 'good' clone, so hopefully in a year or so I will have photos to share! Judith |
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Andrea, Sorry I didn't mean you don't know how to prune. I just commented about pruning because long canes with blooms at the ends were mentioned and that is usually how not sufficiently pruned roses grow/bloom. Nothing against your pruning:) I also see recently that many people are afraid to prune OGR. I don't mean to prune them to 18" like HT, but to shape and significantly (1/2-1/3)reduce cane length, cut completely canes older then 3 year old that are already not productive, etc. It almost became unfasionable to prune. So I was mostly answering to this trend, not to your message. Sorry, if it sounded wrong. Olga |
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| That's ok, Olga, not to worry. I'm growing and pruning Austins, OGRs, HTs, teas and floribundas (and climbers), and I do prune them all differently. And they usually look pretty good. Anyway, when I pruned this rose, whether it was down to 2 or 3 ft (from original height of 4-5ft), it just send out usually one (!) cane, sometimes two, from the top of the pruned one straight up like an arrow, no 45 degree or so angling, but 180 degrees straight up. So I ended up with the same as before, often even taller. It rarely produced new basal shoots, not even with alfalfa tea that usually works wonders. That's why I don't grow this plant anymore. Mine also came from Ashdown, grafted on multiflora. Andrea |
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Probably you just got a dog. My YdA also came from Ashdown, grafted on multiflora. We probably bought it the same year. I think they offered it only one season. It is very different growth pattern from my.. My main issue is too many basals, I have to remove some just to create some room. I don't do alfalfa tea, just plain handful of 10-10-10 in spring and a bucket of composted leaves. Some years I also add Rose Tone in spring. Olga |
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| The color of Yolande is amazing, as well. It is a beautifully saturated rich raspberry rose. |
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| Yeah, I got mine during that last year or so when Ashdown was still offering grafted plants. Maybe own root would make a positive difference in terms of basal shoots and overall growth pattern. However, for something old and pompously beautiful, I'd rather get myself a Charles de Mills! Cheers, Andrea |
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I love Charles de Mills too. But they are very different roses, don't think it is possible to compare them. Have both and love both of them. Olga |
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- Posted by vettin z6b Northern VA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 10, 10 at 12:57
| Hi Olga, if you are still willing and able (I realize you can always do so many) to take a cutting from your strong version of Yolande, I would really appreciate it. If they are already all accounted for I understand. I would be happy to pay postage/packing etc...Photos of your rose are amazing! |
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I can take cuttings in March, during prunning, no problem. Just remind me in early March and e-mail your address. Olga |
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- Posted by vettin z6b Northern VA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 10, 10 at 15:39
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- Posted by vettin z6b Northern VA (My Page) on
Sat, Mar 6, 10 at 16:55
| Hi Olga, I sent you an e-mail. Many Thanks!! |
RE: Yolande D'Aragon
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| My Yolande was very beautiful and I loved it. I was able to train the canes sideways - got a lot of bloom that way. It got the "damask crud" or whatever it is but was worth it to me. After pruning mine pretty hard it went in to a decline and died. Maybe it was somethng else beside the pruning. I want to get a new plant. Anna de Diesbach reminds me of Yolande in growth habit and big beautiful very fragrant blooms though the canes are not as big. Anna reblooms pretty well. |
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