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| I am getting ready to order online but would like to know if there are any roses that I should look at before ordering. I am looking for something that will do good in the Sacramento area with strong(at least medium)Fragrance with good rebloom. Mainly 6x6 or smaller but will consider a slightly larger size. Here are the ogr I am getting so far. These will be my first ogr & buck roses! Tim Souvenir de la Malmaison |
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| Belinda's Dream has a great fragrance, and is about the same size you're looking for. Mme Joseph Schwartz will get real shrubby, not like Belinda's Dream, which is more open. MJS is really nice, the blooms are a light pink, and you can smell them from several feet away! IT might get a bit larger. It's really worth considering. |
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| I have a recommendation for you. Go to the Historic Rose Garden in Sacramento's old cemetery. There you will see a large number of roses growing in exactly the conditions of your area. You will be able to see what does well, and even more, which ones you like best. Rosefolly |
Here is a link that might be useful: Historic Rose Garden in Sacramento
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- Posted by thahalibut Z-9 CA, SSZ-9 (My Page) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 14:53
| I have BD, I wasnt sure if it was considered an ogr. I really like the color on Mme Joseph Schwartz, he may go on my list. Great suggestion, ty! I will make time this spring to go to the sac cemetery, there's probably not much to see right now. That will be next years order. Tim |
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- Posted by cemeteryrose USDA 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 15:22
| In fact, teas and chinas have scattered bloom right now in the cemetery. I'm usually out in the cemetery on Tues and Sat mornings and would be glad to answer questions for you. Other than a week or two the end of Feb/beginning of March, some roses are always in bloom. Souv de la Mal is a good rose for Sacramento but does have a tendency to ball if its wet in the spring until the plant is mature (in my experience, it will grow out of the balling tendency). Some of the HPs are very good here and smell great - roses like Benny Lopez (found, but Vintage and Burlington sometimes have it), Old Town Novato, Jay's Hudson HP, Barbara's Pasture Rose. Grandmother's Hat is wonderful but gets bigger, although I believe you can keep it to size. Some of the early Hybrid Teas have a great shape, more of a shrub, and good fragrance. We love Kaiserin Auguste Viktoria and Radiance. Some of the other Bourbons are good here - Souvenir de St. Anne's, Mme Isaac Periere, Pulich Children (another found rose that Vintage has had). Perle d'Or is a fabulous tea-poly that is a wonderful rose for Sacramento, but the flowers are small and clustered and the fragrance is medium at best. We will have some of these roses for sale at the cemetery Open Garden on April 20. Watch for our catalog, which we hope to have ready by the beginning of April. (Thanks to Jeri!) I have found Buck roses sorely lacking in fragrance, but don't know them very well. |
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- Posted by north_ca_rose 9b (My Page) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 19:25
| I live 90 minutes east of you in Livermore and have grown 4 Buck roses. The only one I now have is Distant Drums, one that I would highly recommend. The other 3, Quietness, Hawkeye Belle, and Carefree Beauty, got quite a bit of rust and did not have great enough foliage to keep them around. Sacremento Historic Rose Garden is a great place for you to get ideas. Karen |
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- Posted by thahalibut Z-9 CA, SSZ-9 (My Page) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 20:21
| Benny Lopez, Old Town Novato, Jay's Hudson & Mme Isaac Periere are exactly what I need. I really like Benny Lopez & hope he will be for sale at the cemetery Open Garden on April 20. I will be waiting for the list. I am getting distant drums & quietness, I hope quietness does better in sac then it does in livermore. These below I am not sure about yet. Grandmothers hat |
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| Tim -- It is very possible that Old Town Novato and Jay's "Hudson Crimson" are the same rose. Not definite, but they're sure very alike. You might consider the Cochet Tea Roses -- Maman Cochet, White Maman Cochet, and Niles Cochet. They're dependable bloomers and very disease-free. And I hope you will consider "Elisabeth's China," which out-blooms everything. Jeri |
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| Oh, and BTW -- Just for the record . . . Jay Williams, who found the rose on Hudson St. in Oakland, is insistent that its study name is "Hudson Crimson," rather than "Jay's Hudson Crimson." Jeri |
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- Posted by thahalibut Z-9 CA, SSZ-9 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 12:32
| Jeri, do you know how big Maman Cochet gets here? I cant find anything on Elisabeth's China. tim |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 14:58
| There are a couple of very old Maman Cochet roses in my neighborhood (San Rafael). They get little pruning, and are both about 7 feet tall and 5 feet wide. Great rose. Grandmother's Hat is wonderful here - one of the many things I like about it is that you can just stick cuttings in the ground and they will root! I did not believe that, but I tried it and now I have several babies in pots. My normal rooting method takes 6 months and is only about 50% successful, so I am impressed. Jackie |
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| Tim, Maman Cochet CAN get up to 7-ft., or even more. But I think 5 ft tall is not impossible. Wider, though. 7 t.? More? This is a mature Maman Cochet in the Sacramento City Cemetery Historic Rose Garden. Jeri |
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- Posted by NewGirlinNorCal 9b (My Page) on Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 19:12
| Jeri- I've been meaning to ask and this is a perfect opportunity. The roses at the cemetery are pretty much allowed to get as big as they can (except maybe the non-treed banksiae?). Would it be reasonable to think that the same plants could be kept a bit smaller in a yard setting? |
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| In some places, they probably can. In my conditions, many roses don't take well to being cut back. I've been told you can't kill a rose that way -- but I testify that you CAN, because we did so. I've heard people say that Teas are weak-growing roses. So I'm thinking that maybe the "weak-growing" ones are those constantly cut back to fit into a space too small for them. Others here may have a different "take" on it. My own feeling is that it's smarter in the long haul to select roses that fit well into the space you have for them. Jeri |
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