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experiences with pegging roses

Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville (My Page) on
Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 20:39

Hello. I have some HP's coming that I'd like to peg. Does anyone have experience pegging roses. Are bourbons good for pegging?
It's my understanding that HP's are heavy feeders.
Any other tips or secrets to share?
Thanks.
Susan


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RE: experiences with pegging roses

Hi Susan, anything with large flowers with many petals tend to be "heavy feeders" with higher water needs than your traditional HT or floribunda. It takes resources to generate larger flowers with many more petals on larger, longer canes.

Anything which generates longer canes, sort of like climbing canes, such as many Austin roses as well as many Bourbons and HPs are good candidates for pegging. Generally, you can "peg" using any method which permits you to bend the cane off the vertical so you more evenly distribute the sap flow ALONG the cane rather than only at the cane ends. It's very much how you train climbers and for exactly the same reason...to provide you an armload of flowers on shorter stems rather than a few blooms on many feet long stems.

You have to look at the growth habit of the particular variety rather than simply state "Bourbons". Mme Ernst Calvat is great for pegging while the bush form of Malmaison wouldn't be as it's more China to floribunda type, bushy growth. Kim


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Yes. I've done it several times. It produced massive bloom on roses such as Othello, The Pilgrim, and some others which left alone only bloomed 12 ft in the air. Produced a marvelous ball of bloom on Mime Isaac Pereire.

It took hours. Not a fun task.

After the first big flush, the canes all died back to the highest point, so the plants looked awful.

I am greatful for every learning experience, but this is not one I would repeat.

Jeri


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With the exception of into downward hanging flowering clusters on multiflora types, sap generally does NOT flow down hill. When you peg, or train climbers, it is usually best not to train the canes down hill, or you will very likely experience what Jeri described...the canes dying back to their highest point. Kim


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I did it once, and after the first bloom is was a mess. However, eventually two of the cane tips rooted instead of dying back, so I got two new roses! It was some sort of as-yet-unidentified-Bourbon which had been growing in our garden for decades, so I was glad to have the new plants.

Jackie


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 17, 13 at 12:13

I would have to concur with the others here. I have pegged my Golden Celebration and Graham Thomas and the first season it's marvelous but after that it's a jungle! You end up having to cut the plants way back to let them regrow again. If you really want to try it find something that is naturally supple and will bend and drape gracefully on it's own.


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I think, to be honest, that pegging (or even "self-pegging") is a technique that worked wonderfully on large Victorian-Era estates, where multiple gardeners had the time to mess with these things.

I learned from doing it -- and experience is valuable, but other than that, it was a waste of time and rose canes.

Jeri


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Last year my new bare root Stormy Weather threw a couple of super thick super thorny canes with ruffly flowers. Different from the smooth green flexible canes with the flowers that looked like the photos of the plant.

After looking at those two odd canes for a couple of months I decided to tie they to the picket fence upper rail. Boy did they not like that! The canes looked "angry" about there new horizontal position, but it is a climber so I figured maybe it would be happy this season.

Flash forward to this spring, those angry fat canes are loaded with fresh growth and I am looking forward to seeing what the flowers look like this year. I think I lost a couple of flushes from tying them last year, but am hoping they make up for it this year. I have seen no evidence of the canes growing longer yet or adding on to the tip of last seasons cane. I bet this one would have died like Jeri's if I had pegged it and pulled the tip lower, but it sure is loving being level.


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I pegged Deuil du Dr Reynaud once. It did produce an amazing explosion of bloom so I'm glad I gave it a try. I am also not the slightest bit tempted to ever do this again, and since then I have kept the canes on the short side. If you are intrigued, go ahead and give it a go. It can be fun to experiment. Better to try and satisfy the urge than to always wonder whether you would like it or not.

Rosefolly


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The capillaries taper as the canes taper. The adhesion factor of water makes it "sticky" so it rises above its own level in a tapered tube. Combine that with transpiration, where the stomata on the leaf reverses "sweat" water as well as the plant's using water for other processes and you have sap flow and sap pressure at the highest points of the plant. That's what pushes new growth from the ends of upward growing plant parts.

Cut off the terminal end of the cane and you have new buds swelling to replace the "leader", like when you cut the top out of a tree and many new branches grow to replace it. There always has to be somewhere for the growth to "escape". Now, bending that growth off the vertical, even if it's only twisting it around a post, and you slow the sap flow, more evenly distributing it along the cane where it pushes many undeveloped buds into growth to replace that terminal leader.

It's also what permits you to grow espaliered apples and other fruits. The horizontal branches produce laterals which generate the fruiting spurs. Those laterals are replacing the leader, that horizontal branch, and have to be pruned back to push new laterals which then fruit when they mature. It's all the same no matter what kind of plant you're dealing with.

"Pegging" differs from training climbers only in that climbers are traditionally fixed to some sort of structure, a fence, trellis, wall, etc. Pegging originally meant to bend the canes over and attach them to the ground by being tied to a peg or stake driven into the ground. Victorian and Edwardian landed gentry had gardening staff who spent their time tying the canes in place, grooming them to produce almost crop circle patterns of flowering rose canes on the lawns, as well as continual weeding and clipping of the grass which continued growing up through the bound and bent canes.

Self pegging is accomplished by tying the canes to free standing stakes then bending them back to themselves and attaching them so they make loops or even hearts. It isn't for everyone as it IS rather labor intensive, but it can provide you the ability to grow larger plants with tremendously greater quantities of flowers in less space. I don't do it at home because it's more work than I wish in my space, but have done it for others for work. Kim


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I am wondering if that Stormy Weather looking angry meant it was red? Extra thorny, extra tall, unusual flowers.. and angry.
I would have surely thought it had RRD. Happily you report it looks good this spring? normal leaf etc?


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Lola, I am in SoCal, so no RRD here that I know of. By angry, it stopped blooming, stopped putting out new growth, the leaves hung droppy. It did not like being told what to do!

But it is happy and pushing new growth all over this year. For what ever reason, on others as well, seems Stormy Weather puts out a bunch of smooth almost thornless canes and then some DNA testers. I would think I was just my plant, but have seen it at a big nursery too.


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Well that's good to hear. Glad Sw has adjusted to her new profile.


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