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| HMF states that Madame Berkeley does not do well in warmer climates. Does anyone have any experience to the contrary? |
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| My 'Mme. Berkeley' did splendidly here in coastal Southern California, with literally hundreds of blossoms all at once at the height of the season, and then in continuous less profusion through the rest of the year. (It unfortunately eventually caught a dieback disease which carried off about a third of my collection!) I liked it a lot; my only criticism of it is the same as I have for 'Maman Cochet' and its ilk: I don't think I ever saw one blossom which was perfect on opening up. They were always "divided" blossoms, or somehow otherwise defective in the petal arrangement. Be a bud ever so beautiful, I find it unpleasant to look at it knowing that it's going to disappoint me when it opens out. |
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| I'm also in coastal Southern California -- so I'm not a help to your question about heat. I wonder, though, if the problem might not be with the color. In our normal cool, foggy weather, Mme. Berkeley is a beautiful swirl of pastel shades. When the weather really heats up badly, the colors deepen, and to my eye are less beautiful. The bush is always handsome here -- big and vigorous, with dependably clean foliage. The bloom form doesn't bother me in the least, but some complain of small blooms. (Indeed, in extreme heat, I've seen blooms that could be thought Miniature!). Jeri |
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- Posted by plantloverkat 9a north Houston (My Page) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 16:20
| I have no experience growing this rose, but I do know that the Antique Rose Emporium has sold it for years, so it certainly must be able to take some heat. In "Landscaping With Antique Roses" by Liz Druitt and Michael Shoup, they say this about Madame Berkeley: "The summer flowers are not as good as those of spring and fall - smaller and pinker and not as distinctive - but Madame Berkeley can be forgiven since it is so perfect in cooler weather." The book also recommends a dark red rose such as Cramoisi Superieur as an elegant planting combination. |
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- Posted by fig_insanity 7a, East TN (My Page) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 17:19
| Gracin, here in my TN garden, there's nothing wrong with MB's PLANT in the heat. We normally have many days in the 90's here. This past summer during the heatwave we had many days over 100. The plant itself sailed through just fine. As a matter of fact, she threw more basal growth during that spell. The problem is in the bloom size and color. The blooms are about half their Spring flush size, and just....pink. Average, nothing-to-write-home-about...pink. But since I get a Spring and a Fall flush of glorious mixed pastels, I don't mind her being a bit squeamish in the sultry summer. But if you don't have cooler temps during at least one of her bloom cycles, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed in her being...pink. |
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| I live in North Florida and mine did nothing. Never grew tall and finally just petered out and gave up the ghost. I did everything for it that I knew to do. It just would never grow good. I think it got to around 2 feet tall and about that wide. It would put out a few blooms that quickly faded and shattered in about 2 days. Hope this helps a little bit. Deb |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 1:59
| I don't grow her, but I would be surprised if she didn't thrive in Florida (sorry for your loss, Deb). All roses (except SDLM, MBRC and Louis Philippe - oh, and White Maman Cochet, MC & Bermuda's Anna Olivier. Gee, I guess some Teas do pretty well here in the heat) are quite a bit smaller and paler in summer. If she gets darker in the heat, then I want her. My young Teas struggled when they weren't getting enough water - daily water. Sand, ya know. Jeri, that pic is to die for. As for miniature sized blooms, please give them a break. They ARE still blooming, and it's HOT out there. I remember Mons Tillier's flowers were the size of half dollars! But there were a lot of them. Sherry |
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| Thanks, all. Jeri, if I had thought about passing her by, It has suddenly become almost impossible. OMG!!!!! That peachy/fleshy color in the center is so delicious - --- like eating 3 Ghiradelli Choc. Mints in a row. Odinthor - I'm going to have to look up "die back disease". That has to be a heartbreak to see a big chunk of your collection go like that. About the imperfect blooms, I wonder if that just happens on an individual plant here and there. Planetlovercat - Thanks for taking the time to look that up. I have a Clemintina Carbonieri on order, and I know up front that she is going to fry in the summer sun, but I may get one or perhaps two beautiful bloom cycles. Some roses are just worth it. I guess it would make good sense to just debud those roses in the summer. Fig insanity - that helps to know that the bush does well in the heat. Deb, I think it's at least possible that your plant may have just been one that wasn't very vigorous from the start. And a special "Thanks" goes out to "Sherry, the enabler" -you always give me confidence. Gracin
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 12:21
| "Sherry, the enabler" Thanks, Gracin, I feel like I've been knighted. Sherry |
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| Yup. I have had a Gen Gallieni that was a puny weakling. Had a Safrano like that, too, long ago. And I have had 2 Duchesse de Brabants that mildewed like mad -- while the one I have now -- from an old cemetery -- does NOT mildew. So some clones MUST vary, to some extent. Jeri |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 21:38
| Odinthor, the Cochets do have their issues, don't they? For a long time I didn't know they were issues, so I loved them anyway. I had one Maman Cochet flower that was quintupled instead of quartered. I usually don't mind their muddled petals but that configuration was completely un-photogenic. White MC is now producing massive muddled blooms the size of a softball. I figure she's just trying to show off in a rather clumsy way. Climbing MC seems to bloom in a much more orthodox manner, and MC isn't too bad. Here she at least opens nicely and only gets muddled at the end. I just love those big, fat blooms! The most disagreeable Tea rose is General Gallieni. Very interesting but not very rose-like. Mostly just weird, but he's staying. This WMC flower is 5" across. Sherry |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 21:43
| Here's a muddled one up close. Looks like her knot has gotten all tangled. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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| See, in MY garden, through most of the year, none of the three lovely Cochets ever get to look like that. Not REMOTELY like that. In fact, they just never open completely. The great news about that is that they look great, half-open, so I have no quarrel with them over it. And they have no disease, so it's all good. Jeri |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 22:45
| "The most disagreeable Tea rose is General Gallieni. Very interesting but not very rose-like. Mostly just weird, but he's staying." lol, Sherry. I read on Wikipedia a quote attributed to General Gallieni during WWI when he was defending Paris from the Germans and sent up reserve troops to the front in taxicabs: "Well, here at least is something out of the ordinary!" Maybe Gilbert Nabonnand, the breeder of that peculiar rose, took one look at it and thought about Gallieni's quote. It is certainly not a sweet or romantic rose. I always wanted to salute when I saw it in full bloom. :)
I read the same thing about Madame Berkeley, about it's doing better in cooler weather so it's one of the three or four teas I'm trying to grow up here. It's very s l o w growing up here. |
This post was edited by harborrose on Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 19:02
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| Never fear Gean -- Once Mme. Berkeley gets her feet in the ground, I suspect she'll be great for you. As for Gallieni -- I believe you and I are as one in liking it very much -- but I concede that it is not everyone's cuppa tea. But that's OK. What a dull world it would be, if we all liked the same things. Jeri (Who loves Tea Roses and Chinas, coastal fogs, and Dalmatian Dogs.) :-) |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 19:18
| Well, the petals on General Gallieni are stiff, more like zinnia petals than rose petals. It turns almost black as it ages. Its color is peculiar. The bloom form is well, unique. Trying to work it into a landscape plan is challenging... it sure is something different but I did love it. It is also among the healthiest roses I have ever grown and one of the heaviest bloomers. :) |
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