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| hello everyone I have just started planting a rose garden. I orginally started ordering alot of pink roses but then as is always the case I found myself all over the color wheel. I also did not give consideration to the different size and shapes that they will grow in to. My intentions are to plant a double row with large space in the middle that I could add a walk way with benches. After reading some of the post on this site I am a little concerned about my plans. So far I have one side already planted/pecan tree, perle d or, buff beauty,jefferson rose, palm,(two trees in between the palm will come out they are tropical hibiscus) caldwell pink,, old blush, peach tree, mrs rb cant, followed by a pecan tree. the trees are new also. After reading a post about trees and roses I am concerned, but I am afraid to move them at this time they have only been in the ground for about a month. For the other side the roses I have left to plant are archduke charles, belind's dream, cramoisi supereieur, ducheese de brabant,lafter, madame antoine mari and mrs dudley cross, and no other trees. Any suggestion on how to make this work would be appreciated. If necessary and safe to do so I am willing to move roses around. I spaced everyting about 3 to 4 feet apart. Thanks Ruby |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 1:13
| It sounds ambitious and potentially beautiful: you've picked a lot of nice roses. I would be concerned about the pecans. Mature pecans are BIG trees and would be out of scale with everything else; and being members of the walnut family, I wonder if they wouldn't also tend to discourage growth of surrounding plants as walnuts do. This aside from the serious issue of their roots. Small fruit trees I think might be okay. I grow palms close to my roses and haven't had problems with them. If you want variety and height in your rose bed, how about medium and tall shrubs and small trees? I grow 'Mrs. B.R. Cant' and 3'-4' width is probably going to be too tight: she's a big Tea. Ditto for 'Buff Beauty' unless you give her support. Her natural habit is wide-spreading and lax. Oh, and 'Mme. Antoine Mari' also gets big. These three are roses I've grown for years. All this sounds critical, but I like your basic ideas. If you do decide to make some changes, there's no better time than now, rather than waiting a few years until the plants are established (or have been struggling due to root competition). Good luck! Melissa |
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| Unfortunately most of the roses you've chosen are going to get much too large for the space you've planned for them. Mrs. B.R. Cant, for instance, can be 8-10 feet tall and across when mature and in your climate I think the other roses will also need 6-8 feet fairly soon. You've picked some very nice roses but I hope you'll be able to somehow give them a lot more room because they'll definitely need it. |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 9:29
| I agree with Melissa and Ingrid. At least it's very early and easier to move things. I'm concerned that you will regret planting the Peacans. They will cast a lot of shade eventually. You've made a wonderful slection of roses. You are bound to make a few mistakes on your rose gardening journey, but I imagine your garden will be beautiful. |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 14:58
| hi, Ruby, Welcome to the forum! I like the roses you picked, too, and think you've gotten some really good advice. I'm linking to a publication on pecan trees from the Ag department of the University of Georgia. The publication says to allow 60-80 feet between pecan trees; they are massive. It sounds like you've planted two fairly close together...? I also agree, don't be afraid to move the trees or the roses now; it is a LOT easier to move them now when they're young and just barely planted than later. If you decide to remove some of those roses, you can always put them back into a pot. Exactly how long/large is this area you've planted? It appears to be about 30-40 feet long by about 12-15 feet? In designing a bed sometimes less is more, if that makes any sense. I'm not talking about size of the bed, but what goes into it ... |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pecans, University of Georgia CAE publ.
This post was edited by harborrose on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 15:06
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| Thanks for the advice. I am going to remove the roses. I can place them around the perimeter of my property and give them more space. I choose the center of the yard because I felt that everthing I planted so far is against the fence and along the drive way and the middle of the yard is bare. We have rain in the forecast for the next three days, this should make my task next weekend more easy. I also have some mature evergreen bushes how much space should I allow if i put some roses in front of them? |
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| Hi Ruby, where in Georgia are you? I live in NE Georgia. I do have Mrs. BR Cant and Duchess de Brabant. They do get large here. They are deceptive, because it can take years before they put on size. So the advice you've been given here is good and I'm glad you are rethinking. Duchess de Brabant is more of a medium size, but very rangy. Mrs. BR Cant is perhaps the most perfect garden rose. Be sure to give it a prominent spot where it can be seen. Here is mine (which I foolishly planted near the drive way and have to trim it back....)
If the evergreens are mature, then you at least know how large they will be. Again, if you are planting one of the large teas, just make sure you leave enough room from the center of the rose, at least 6-8 feet for Mrs BR Cant. How about all this rain we are getting? It's feast or famine, right? |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Mon, Feb 11, 13 at 9:53
| Buford, I wish my Mrs. BR looked like that. |
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| buford, you've made me very happy that I have two of her. What an utterly gorgeous bush that is. On the other hand, I can see I didn't allow enough room for at least one of them, unless I plant one of the new French tea roses from Vintage somewhere else, but there is no somewhere else! Ruby, don't make the same mistake that so many of us have by not allowing enough room for these monsters. The problem is there are so many gorgeous roses out there and we always want more! Ingrid |
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| Beautiful rose! Buford, I'm looking forward to mine growing up to look like yours. I already love it, but from the look of yours, it will just get better and better. Lou |
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- Posted by organic_kitten 7 (My Page) on Mon, Feb 11, 13 at 15:48
| Buford, that is a beautiful rose. Mine is still quite young, and I hope she grows up to resemble yours. And it is indeed feast or famine with the rain. Can you believe it? |
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| Thanks every one. I planted that whole bed (all teas) about 4 years ago. It really does take them a few years to get to a big size. You can see I planted Comtessa du Cayla next to her and Mrs BR Cant is threatening to take over.... That was the spring flush. She also had a nice summer and early fall flush. She was all set to have a late fall flush around Thanksgiving, but it just took too long for the buds to open and we finally got a hard freeze and it was ruined:( |
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| hello buford mrs br cant is beautiful! I live about 30 miles south of Augusta and until this evening it was still raining. This is the most rain I have seen here and I have been living here almost three years. Very wacky weather I have daffodils blooming sinceJanuary and tulips have been blooming for about 2 weeks now. |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 2:19
| Ruby, sorry but I still can't get over that you want to plant pecan trees over your roses. We have pecans here, and I've driven through south Georgia where the pecan groves are everywhere. Big trees and lots of shade. So I googled pecan grove images. Here ya go. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pecan grove pics
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| I have wild hickory trees (pecans are in the hickory family) and they do throw off a lot of shade. The roses will want full sun, even in Georgia. Most of mine are in the front yard away from any trees. I have a few ornamental cherry trees that have gotten quite large and are casting some shade on a few roses, and I may have to move them so they do better. The sun was finally out yesterday, but it's cloudy again today. But, I will NOT complain about too much rain. Even though my yard is soggy.... |
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| I want to go live in the pecan grove with the horse :-) Anne |
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| Mendocino -- You make me feel so much better. Mrs. B.R. Cant has been here for years and years, and she's just never taken off. I see a photo like Bufords, and feel badly. But if it doesn't do that for you, either, maybe it just doesn't like coastal conditions. Jeri |
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