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| Hi -- I am so new to all of this and welcome anyone's input. Ripped out almost my entire backyard and now I'm hoping to try roses throughout. I am thinking a mix of english roses and traditional ones a well. What is important to me is (1) lots of colorful blooms that repeat frequently over a long blooming season and (2) big showy blooms. I'm in zone 10. I am thinking of planting a few St. Swithum as climbers where it's really sunny and a few Jude the Obscure climbers in a more shady part of the yard. I was going to also do a few dream come true grandiflora roses as shrubs. I am trying to stay in a pale colored palette. i would love thoughts on if I am making good choices. Should I consider something else for my zone (10)? Any other tips are welcome for a novice. |
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| Hi, and welcome to the forum! Roses are wonderful additions to the landscape, and I'm sure you'll fall in love with them like we have. Question - are you in zone 10 in California, or Texas or Florida? It makes a big difference, since those zones are all very different. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 10:55
| Regardless, start preparing soil now. Get a friend with a truck and start bringing in horse manure and old leaves and shredded tree branches and bark. Mix it all up in a pile and let it rot. This will be the gold you want to spread all over the soil to grow the best roses. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 11:47
| I would look into "tea" (not "hybrid tea") roses if I were you - they are all mostly pale colors, bloom forever, and love heat. Which ones does depend on where you are - humid summers? dry summers?, how much heat?, etc. Jackie |
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- Posted by AvaVictoria none (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 15:38
| Thanks everyone for the prompt responses... I'm going to add one more question for all the experts out there -- Where is the best place to buy? I've called a few wholesale nurseries, and looked at open-to-the-public and looked extensively on-line. We are in Northern California -- near SF bay, so temps are generally around 75 or so in the summer (occasionally getting hotter) and usually never dip below 35 in the winter. Thanks for the tip on preparing soil. Our garage collection company collects food scraps for compose and then you can get free compost any time. We've already put some on top of the soil throughout the yard, but I'll get more and work it into the soil now. Are the tea roses heavy repeat bloomers with big blossoms? I haven't look at Teas at all. Thanks everyone! |
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| AvaVictoria -- Jacqueline2 (see post above) will be a good guide for you. I am located in Southern CA, but on the coast, so you get more winter than I do. Tea Roses are the most regular repeat bloomers. The modern Hybrid Tea Roses inherited that trait from the Teas, and the Teas are still champs. Bloom size will vary from one cultivar to another, so you'll want to make individual selections. I suggest that you might want to visit places where you can see mature plants, rather than roses in pots. Use Google to find: Other public rose gardens should likewise help you decide what you want. Availability of roses is descending into a very black hole at the moment, with fewer and fewer nurseries growing roses, and fewer offering them. For moderns, Reagan's Nursery over on the East side of the Bay has a huge selection. For Teas and their other older kin, most use mail order sources. Such roses will be small plants grown on their own roots, for the most part. Whether you go for modern or older roses, you're not going to have a complete rose garden overnight. Roses will take months and years to grow up, and "be all they can be." Avoid planting too closely. The newly-planted rose garden should look under-planted, until plants grow up and mature, and fill it in. Jeri |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 18:54
| AvaVictoria, I am in San Rafael, where are you? Yes, there are tea roses with big blooms that bloom almost all of the time. There is a great book about tea roses: "Tea Roses: Old Roses for Warm Gardens". It has fabulous pictures. Jeri's advice to go to the Sacramento Historic Rose Garden Open Garden and rose sale on April 20th is perfect. They have lots of tea roses, and people who know about roses give tours - you can learn all about them. There will be a catalogue of all of the rare roses they will have for sale that day - it will be announced on here - Jeri puts it together and it is always magnificant. You are asking these questions at exactly the right time of year! Nurseries - Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol is unfortunately closing, but it is still taking orders right now - google it and go on their web site. I have also had great service and roses from Rogue Valley Roses and Heritage Roses in Oregon. Jackie |
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- Posted by AvaVictoria none (My Page) on Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 14:17
| Hi Jacqueline3 and Jerijen, Thanks for the feedback. I am in San Mateo, so I suspect we have similar weather conditions. If you know anything about San Mateo, I am on the westside of town before you get up into the hills, walking distance to downtown. Right near downtown they have a moderate size rose garden that is always beautiful. It didn't even occur to me to go there to check out plants. We planted this weekend. I went to the Half Moon Bay nursery. I tried a few others and was very disappointed by the selection, but this place had a ton of variety. Sadly, they didn't have either of the ones I wanted, but I found what I hope are good subs. I got 4 pink Flamingos -- not exactly pale pink, but pink nonetheless and labeled as a smaller grandiflora (which is good as my yard is small). I was so sad they were sold out of the St. Swithum! Instead, I got Shropshire Lad. I have read mixed things about them here, but couldn't think of an alternative. I also got a Jude the Obscure for fun. In retrospect, I wish I had gotten James Galway. Seems to have more of the qualities that I was seeking. Would love your thoughts on growing these in general and any Bay Area specific thoughts are appreciated as well. |
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| I live in San Mateo just off the 92 freeway. They have a nice Rose Garden in Central Park. It's small but the roses are well taken care of. It's a great place to look at roses, smell them and choose the ones you like. You can pretty much grow most roses in our climate. You just have to water them and that's about it, disease is not really a significant problem. My three favorite roses are sharifa asma, tamora and golden celebration. I like English roses for fragrance, prolific bloom and their old fashion look. Not as good as hybrid teas for cutting though. St. Swithun grows well in our area also. It's very fragrant, repeats well and is a very delicate pink with a button eye in the middle of the flower. Half Moon Bay nursery is very reasonable in regards to prices of plants but not as much selection for roses. Regan nursery has a large selection of roses for the rose nuts! |
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- Posted by aimeekitty 9-10, SW 18 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 13, 13 at 14:37
| Just FYI, I haven't seen Jude the Obscure being a climber. My two certainly are very bush-like (i.e. not climbing) but I adore them! They have the best scent and such a beautiful color and form! James Galway is also a great rose, mine quickly became huge and has really unusual beautiful ruffled petals. Don't be afraid to order roses online. You don't have to order just in person at a nursery. I agree, seeing roses in person, mature, in a garden is a HUGE benefit. I'd recommend doing so since you're relatively close to the San Jose and Sacramento rose gardens…??? Seeing just a photo of a rose bloom isn't the same as seeing a whole mature bush. Just a small recommendation.. Valencia is a great HT with reasonably sized blooms which blooms almost all the time for me If you like Jude the Obscure's coloring you'll probably like Valencia. |
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