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| So, I bought a house last year and this spring I have been buying a bunch of roses to get my garden started. I have a tree in the front that is calling out for a rose. It hangs a little to the side towards the street and it would be oh so gorgeous with roses in bloom hanging from it:) I have a cl cramoisi superieur and a Cl. Cecile Brunner and I don't know which one to plant. It will get part shade, lots of love, great soil and food. I bought the cecile for that spot but I was reading that there is an everblooming cecile and I was thinking of buying that one. The cecile that I have is from the Antique Rose Emporium (cl cramoisi superieur too). BUt I don't know if it is the everblooming one. But I was reading that the cl cramoisi superieur gets really big too. I don't know if it is a repeat bloomer all summer though. I would like something that will engulf the tree, bloom all the time and handle part shade. I know I'm asking a lot, but this is my first three months to have roses and I am obsessed. Thanks for your time!! List of my roses so far: Front yard: Back yard: Yes, this is all sadly since January,lol, Thanks, |
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| L'Origan -- I don't think there is an "ever-blooming" CLIMBING Cecile Brunner. In her original bush form, she's pretty much ever-blooming, and 'Spray Cecile Brunner' is taller, and very remontant -- but the Climbing clones I am aware of are either once-blooming, or they have a limited fall repeat in our very mild coastal climate. Jeri |
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| Heirloom sells an Everblooming Cl. Cecile Brunner and so does Cl. Roses.com. So is Spray CB maybe the same as the one described Everblooming? Forgive me I'm a little confused. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Everblooming Cl. Cecile Brunner
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I can't offer an opinion on cl. CS vs. cl. CB (having not grown either yet) but this this brings up a question of interest to me . I have just rooted some cuttings from a climbing rose in the backyard of my daughter's apartment building in San Francisco . The rose sure looks and smells like Cecille Brunner and is about 12' tall, but very rangy and a bit depauperate (lots of shade and it's growing in the middle of a giant bamboo stand -- good grief, how bad can it get for a poor rose?). The rose blooms off-and-on all year long -- in fact, was blooming during this past January and February. On the other hand, there is a church here in Livermore that has Cl. CB growing on it and I've never seen those rebloom after the spring flush. So, I've been wondering if there possibly are clones of Cl. CB that are remontant. Or, alternatively, are there climbing roses that very closely resemble CB that are remontant? ~ Debbie |
This post was edited by catspa on Wed, Mar 13, 13 at 14:29
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| Forgot to add, L'Origan, that you've got some great roses on your list. Celine Forestier is one of my absolute favorites, but she can take a long, long time to get going. My own-root plant more or less looked like she was about to die her first three years and didn't really start looking prosperous until year 6. In fact, I didn't think she was going to make it, so I stuck her over in a far corner (which happens to have the afternoon shade she seems to like...so that worked out, actually). ~Debbie Celine Forestier, last year:
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| Yes, I sure do think some clones of Cl. Cecile Brunner repeat more than others. But I have not personally seen one I would legitimately call "ever blooming." I have seen one that bloomed massively in spring, had a reasonably good flush in fall, and had a few scattered blooms in-between. All I can say is that you could give 'er the old college try. You'd have a good idea of how much she'd bloom in 5 or so years. Jeri |
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| Catspa, your CF is absolutely gorgeous, thanks for sharing that picture as mine is still in a 2 gallon pot. Jeri, thanks for clearing that up, I hope that mine from the Antique Rose Emporium is a great bloomer. Have you had any experience with cl cramoisi superieur? I have visions of CB hanging out over the street and mailbox (which has the Lindee rose, clematis and nasturium vining, hollyhocks and gladiolas and pansies and whatever else fits when I buy it.) I think that CS would match too, is it comparable to CB? Would I get as much rebloom with CS in Austin TX? |
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| I do -- but mine is, as yet, an infant. I have a vague recollection of having read that it is less remontant than the bush. I urge you to check that out, on the invaluable Vintage gardens website. Know that, as a general rule, climbing sports of bush roses will climb better than they bloom. Jeri |
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| Funny you mention that as I am currently online scrolling through the Vintage Garden Website because I was reading on another forum that they were going out of business but still taking orders and I was making sure that I didn't miss anything. I will check into that, thanks. |
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- Posted by sabalmatt_dallas Z8 Dallas (My Page) on Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 3:28
| I grow climbing cramoisi superieur and it is wonderful- repeats as much as any china and is not aggressive in growth habit. I know of a Cl. Cecile Brunner here in Dallas that has engulfed a two story house and is essentially a spring bloomer. I like Cl cramoisi superieur much better. |
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| This is the tree that I think would look awesome covered in a climbing rose. |
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| Check out what I just found on accident, this answered my question about the everblooming cecile brunner. Here is a copy from the Antique Rose Emporium. Bloomfield Abundance 1920 Also known as 'Spray Cecile Brunner,' 'Bloomfield Abundance' lives up to its name - it fills our growing fields abundantly with blooms! Thought to be a semi-climbing mutation of 'Cecile Brunner,' this rose produces the same salmon-pink flowers which bloom throughout the growing season. An interesting tendency of this rose is to produce foliose buds, a condition which occasionally causes a flower to form a shoot or green eye within the center of its inflorescence. Unlike 'Cecile Brunner,' this rose is considered hardier. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Bloomfield Abundance or Spray Cecile Brunner
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| AH! That's what I THOUGHT it might be! Jeri |
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