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| I'm looking for some OGRs that would be good in my cold climate but also are good exhibition roses. Meaning the blooms hold up well in a vase. What I have now are Reine des Violette and Rose de Rescht. They are both lovely but neither of them have any staying power in a vase. RdV doesn't even make it to the show and RdR doesn't last much longer. So I'm interested in hearing which ones you find good to cut. Even if you don't exhibit what lasts well in a vase for you? I don't have any fragrance or color preference, I love all colors, but I would prefer ones that aren't giants. I don't have a lot of space so they need to be on the smaller side. Thanks for your help! |
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- Posted by harborrose 8-Puget Sound/PNW (My Page) on Sun, Mar 30, 14 at 23:49
| Dear Seil, You might be interested in 'Marchesa Boccella'/'Jacques Cartier', a repeating Portland damask. I have read a number of people here who dislike that rose for various reasons, but I am a fan. It should do fine with your cold as it's rated to 4 b. Also, you can keep it on the smaller side - I do deep deadheading during the summer to keep its growth under control and find that it repeats continuously for me. Mine is about 5 years now and after spring pruning is 3 1/2 or 4 feet tall. I keep it cut back to less than 5 feet during the summer. I find that pruning keeps it under control and keeps it blooming. It will look like my hair after a bad night of no sleep if it's not regularly pruned - no kidding; that rose has a mind of its own. It is good in a vase for a couple of days; it doesn't shatter and holds together well enough for a show. It usually has shown up at any rose show I've been to. It turns to mush if it has days of rain, but I can't fault it for that as I'd be mush too in a deluge. It's disease resistant here and can't think of much in the way of disease problems it has. The blooms are fragrant, and a lovely pink. I have only done a few rose shows but usually take it because it is in bloom usually whenever there is a rose show. I'm curious, Seil - what ogr's usually show up at the rose shows you've been to? I've seen 'Stanwell Perpetual' here at a local show, 'Belle de Crecy' - A lot of times the shows don't really coincide with the bloom of the once bloomers, sad to say, so that's another aspect to consider. But 'Marchesa Boccella' is usually in bloom. At any rate, one to think about. Gean
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- Posted by pat_bamaZ7 7 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 2, 14 at 11:57
| Hey Seil, I don’t show roses, but I do cut a lot of them to bring inside. Most of my OGRs were new to me last year, so I don’t remember how well they all did cut. I do recall Marchesa Boccella, as harborrose suggested, lasting fairly long for an OGR. Seems like the found bourbon, Maggie, also held up pretty well in a vase, but not sure how hardy it is (took a pretty big hit from our crazy winter this year, but hopefully that was due to its lack of maturity). I think Paul Neyron lasts for a while once cut, too. It is a beautiful rose and good bloomer for me. I remember being thrilled that I once got two days from a Rose de Rescht bloom that I cut very tight…as you said, usually it’s a day at best for that one. Most of my teas and chinas did okay in a vase, but those wouldn’t reliably survive your winters. Polys have generally done great once cut, but I guess they wouldn’t qualify as an OGR in a show. Ingrid started a thread this winter about the best stage to cut different OGRs. I was disappointed there weren’t more responses to that thread. I think it would be very useful info and plan to make notes on how well mine do in the vase this year so I can add inputs and revive the thread (The Best Stage at Which To Cut Roses for the House). There was also a thread started by luxrosa last fall, Old Roses with the longest vase lives? , where most suggestions were teas, but the HPs Georg Arends, Vick's Caprice and Frau Karl Druschki were also mentioned as long lasting. You might want to read through that thread. |
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| Thank you, harborrose! The Marchesa looks lovely. I see that it's available in several places too. So it shouldn't be hard to get. As for shows here there aren't many often shown but they're usually the same few every year. I'm looking for something different and your Marchesa is. Thanks, Pat! I can't show anything that's a found rose. You have to be able to give a date of introduction on the tag and found roses don't have that. So Maggie is out. Polys have their own category in the show and I have a few of those already. I see Paul Neyron around here all the time but they're in body bags and not the best quality. I do have a couple of chinas and tea that I'm experimenting on wintering. It was a really bad winter though so I'm not sure any of them survived. I'll see if I can find that old thread. |
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| I was going to put in a good word for Marchesa Boccella, but I see I'm late to the party! ;-) It does very well for me cut, and I do enter it in shows. You want to cut it a bit tight, Rose de Rescht is popular with a few OGR exhibitors here. Reine des Violettes, and Jens Munk are a few others. You might also want to check out the local and district show results at roseshow.com. |
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| You could always "cheat" and enter "Maggie" as 'Eugene E. Marlitt', which is the current contender for the found-rose's original name. ;-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by bellegallica_zone9 9 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 2, 14 at 20:58
| Have you tried using flower food/floral preservative? I've read somewhere that those really do work to extend the life of blooms. |
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| I can use conditioners at home but you can't use anything at shows. |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Thu, Apr 3, 14 at 12:45
| I seem to remember that in general, OGRs lasted about 5 days to a week after a show. There were exceptions, like Rose de Rescht, Stanwell Perpetual, and the R. eglanteria we won Best in Show with. But the usual gallicas, albas, damask, and HPs had decent staying power. To take it fairly seriously, I don't know of any besides HPs that can be cut the night before a show. And the biggest show trick was proper show pruning. Left to their own devices many once bloomers droop badly on very short stems. Pruned back most can produce a decent stem. |
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