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| I am considering to buy these roses from vintage. They will be grown in pots in my very small San Jose, Ca house. I know both are known to ball and I'm willing to work and experiment with that flaw. Is there anything else I should know about them? Any other rose that I should consider to buy? I don't have anymore ground space, they have to be placed in pots. Thank you for your information, |
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- Posted by bellegallica_zone9 10 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 18:50
| FWIW, I think I remember having more balling issues with Clotilde than with Souvenir. But to be honest it was really not a big problem with either of them. Wikipedia says San Jose's climate has a "semiarid" feel. If that's the case, then balling shouldn't be a problem for you. Clotilde's flowers are often described as SdlM in miniature, but Souvenir's flowers are not only much larger, but pinker. Clotilde quickly fades to nearly white. Fragrance is different. Foliage is different, too. Souvenir's has a bluish tint, and Clotilde's is more a medium green and can be prone to chlorosis. They're both "smaller" roses, so they should be ok in large pots for a while. In warm climates, though, they can get larger if you don't prune. My SdlM was always a runt, but I've heard it can get up to five feet for the lucky people. Hope you enjoy both of them. Are you looking for other recommendations for pots? |
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- Posted by wanttogarden USDA 9b, Sunset 15, (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 20:58
| Bellegalica: Thank you for detailed info on these roses. Yes, I am looking for other suitable roses for the pots. This is going to be my last purchase from VG and I like to get as much roses as I can for the pots. BTW, where in Zone 9 you are located? FJ |
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| Clotilde Soupert is a stunning rose here in the Eastern and especially South-Eastern United States, but I've read dreadful reports from California rosarians. Her foliage is very prone to powdery mildew. She also needs summer heat to open her blooms properly. If you have cool summer nights then balling will be a persistent problem during the entire growing season. By all means give her a try (the climbing sport is especially gorgeous) but do not get too attached. |
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| I grow both, but haven't had SDLM long enough to get a good feel for her. CS I've had for 4 years and LOVE her! I have her potted in a whiskey barrel and she seems very happy. I know shes classified as a poly, but her blooms are much bigger than my other polys. I don't have balling issues here, but then again, we're in very different climates. Tammy |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 22:44
| Well, we Southerners are not helping you at all, FJ, but they are two of my favorites. They don't ball for me. I really love them. Hope you get some that will be beautiful for you!! BTW, SDLM stays smaller than CS with no pruning. CS gets about 4x4 after I prune her by about half in February. So they're not big bushes. CS smells really nice. Sherry |
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- Posted by gothiclibrarian 5b (My Page) on Sat, Mar 9, 13 at 6:55
| I have both...both are still babies (SdlM 2010, CS 2011), but I can tell you that my SdlM mildewed so very badly last spring that she already had a date with the shovel. I just couldn't bring myself to do it...but this year is her last chance since I moved her into a much nicer spot. Mildew aside, I have had no issues with this rose who has proved herself to be far hardier than I believed (honestly I tried to kill her when I moved her, cruel woman that I am). My CS is in a pot. Grows *very* well in a container (but I am going to put her in the ground this year). She even had a giant branch fall on her last year during that scary derecho storm we had last year here in Indiana and she survived. Cheers! |
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| I was considering CS from Vintage too. I have SdLM and she doesn't ball for me. I have her in a spot that can get some shade, so she's staying smallish. I was worried about the balling in the description, so now that I know it may not be a problem here in Georgia, I may get it. |
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- Posted by floridarosez9 10 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 9, 13 at 8:50
| I have had CS in a small pot for several years from a clipping I stuck there. There's not really enough soil in the pot, and some wild violets seeded in there with her. She stayed very small and bloomed only occasionally. This year, I moved her near some potted annuals and simply because she was nearby, I started feeding her twice weekly with half strength liquid fertilizer when I did the annuals. Wow! She has stayed covered in blooms, and they're half again as big as they are on the ones in the garden. Balls only if I have several successive days of rainy overcast weather. That doesn't happen often here as usually the sun comes out right after it rains here. The bush itself has stayed small but is very lush and bushy. Exquisite scent. I have these little glass vases on suction cups. I love to stick clusters of CS in them and stick them on the windows and mirrors all around the house so I can smell her all day. |
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- Posted by wanttogarden USDA 9b, Sunset 15, (My Page) on Sat, Mar 9, 13 at 20:28
| Thanks everyone for your replies. Lack of reply from Californians makes me think they may not be necessarily good choices for here. I know Jeri did not have a good experience with SdlM before. However, better be safe than sorry. I placed an order. Since they will be in pots, I can move them around for few years to find a good spot for them. If they don't work out, o'well, money well spent. Thank you again, |
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| FJ, I live in southern California in inland San Diego County where it's rather dry and quite hot in the summer. My SdlM is one of my best roses in terms of continuous bloom throughout the whole year and little disease. For me it's a rose that gets rather broad and spreading so I'm not sure how that would work in a pot. I've ordered the rose Pink Rosette from Vintage and that should do quite well in a pot. There are gorgeous pictures in a recent thread, I think the one about Vintage quitting, and it seems to be a wonderful rose. Any of the polyanthas should be great in pots. Ingrid |
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- Posted by priscilla_ca (My Page) on Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 0:16
| Hi, I live in CA, Sunset zone 7. Very hot in the summer, and the temp. can go from 100+ degrees during the day to 50 degree at night. My soil is like concrete for most of the year, my gardener has actually had to use a jackhammer to dig a hole for me. If I fill a hole with water, it will take many hours for it to perk. The water has so much calcium in it that the emitters on the irrigation are constantly plugging up. Deer visit my yard everynight for their dinner - "Not Tonight Deer" works quite well if I keep up with it, but in the middle of the summer I let the deer deadhead. I'm always at war with ground squirrels who thus far have prevented me from ever having a successful vegetable garden, and gophers sometimes manage to get through the gopher baskets and kill some roses too. I do get some mildew and black spot. But, amazingly, once a rose survives the above, they are very happy in this climate! I think it's pretty amazing. Anyway, my first SdlM didn't survive the above, and I'm so glad that I gave it one more try because it's a favorite of mine. Blooms almost continuously. It's right by my front door, regardless the deer are especially partial to it too so I have to spray it more often. It does turn almost white in the summer sun which I don't like so much. Like Ingrid, mine is spreading. I wouldn't be without her! :-) |
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