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| I grew 'Marie Pavie' available from ARE while in Texas. Blasted blooming machine ... but the Vintage clone has more petals and is, I think a more beautiful rose. Check it out ... it's still available last I looked. I have three of them in a hedge and I love them.
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| Ooo, that's pretty. I have a band potted up from, umm, someone--hasn't flowered yet. I don't recall my old one from either Chamblees or ARE having so many petals, either. |
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| Got my clone from a lady and the bush is close to 100 years old. Were several home places around it that still had it also. Love the smell of the blooms. |
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| I can see why Doug Seidel thought Mrs. Keayes "Faded Pink MOnthly" was like a taller version of this. So lovely. Jeri |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Thu, Mar 7, 13 at 22:40
| There were several mentions on other threads of the clone Vintage sells of 'Marie Pavie' so I thought I'd post some pics. I think it's lovely, too, Jeri. So is the FPM; thank you for posting your picture of it. Beerhog, 100 year old bush? I would love to see that! Bluegirl, thanks. I think it's pretty too. The ARE one is great also. That rose is a bloom machine, for sure. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Thu, Mar 7, 13 at 23:19
| I like my Vintage clone best of all. It's an outstanding rose to get if you don't have one. I ordered Lullaby (poly) and have never seen it but it sounds very good and I do love polys. |
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| I was debating about 'Marie Pavie' but when I realized this might be my last chance to get the prettier Vintage clone, I figured I'd better just order it and pass it on to my former roommate at her new house if I didn't decide to plant it here. Now I think I know where I want to put it, but to be safe, I'm going to "make a few more" from cuttings as it grows on. I don't know if any other nurseries grow this form of it. Does anyone else know? :-) ~Christopher |
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| Does anyone know if rogue valley's clone and vintage's is the same? |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 14:54
| Alana, I don't personally know. I think the only way you really know is to grow them both and see. Or maybe call Rogue Valley and ask them where they got theirs. The Vintage catalog says that their MP was "found by (Phillip) Robinson." I wish I knew the history behind that. When I read in the Vintage catalog that theirs had more petals than some of the others, I ordered it just because I wanted to see for myself the difference. I do know it is different than the other MP I grew. Let us know if you find out! |
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- Posted by bellegallica_zone9 10 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 18:52
| I have the Rogue Valley MP, and to me it looks identical to the Vintage one. The flowers are fully double. |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 19:21
| That's great to know. I'd hate to think no one else was carrying it. |
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- Posted by ilovemyroses 8 Dallas TX (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 20:10
| Dang and it is not available. My first of many tears with Vintage's news. I read this and rushed to add it to my cart. Only the beginning |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Sat, Mar 9, 13 at 13:48
| Thank you, Gean, for the great picture. Yes, the petals are more packed and refined. Great clone! I like how Marie Pavie perfumes my garden. |
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| Huh, the one I have is from Burling. Maybe it's the same. Lovely plant. Ilovemyroses: Ha! I tried to get Vintage's too. Haven't gotten any response from my 1rst e-mailed order, don't know what chance I have for another. They're probably thinking: "Dang, if all these GardenWeb guys had ordered like this BEFORE.... " |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Sat, Mar 9, 13 at 15:50
| My guess is that Burlington hers from Vintage. They do trade plants; I believe that most of the own root nurseries do cooperate with each other. She has a large collection of Geschwind ramblers; the only place that could have come from, I think, is from Cliff Orent's nursery. Heirloom and Vintage both got Cliff's roses, Rogue Valley got Ashdown's stock. Connie's roses came from many places, but at least in part from Vintage, I'm sure. It's not a war with each other. The guy that owns Petals of the Past in Birmingham told me that he gets his own root old roses from Chamblees, because he said that no one propagates as well as Chamblees does. The mystery red climber that Petals carries was given to them by Ruth Knopf who got it from Malcolm Manners. Ramblers that Vintage carries, some of them, anyway, came from a lady in Washington State, Anne Belovich. Who has donated rambler cuttings to that nursery in Spokane as well as the gardens in Chambersville, Texas. We all just need to do our part and not rag on one nursery or another but list our gardens, buy and grow what we can and like so many said on Kim's thread, share, learn to propagate and give roses away to our friends. Plant them someplace, propagate for our rose groups. Jeez, I hate it when I preach. You all know what I mean. |
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| thanks--I was hoping Burling got it from them. And it's very helpful that you posted the provenance of many nursery roses. I'm new to HMF, but I will get off my butt (or rather, get ON it) & type up my garden list for sharing. J. L. Hudson seeds is a FANTASTIC source for open-pollinated, non-patented seed, many varieties very old & of great cultural importance This rose situation reminds me of their logo (uncopyrighted) : A Steller's jay flying with an acorn & the words: |
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| Beautiful pics! Looks like one I need to add to my wish list! |
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