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| Hi. Just wanted to share pics of my lokelani rose. It's about 5 ft tall and has strong damask fragrance that wafts. I got it about 3 yrs ago as a 1 ft tall plant. The lokelani rose first arrived in Hawaii in the early 1800s. |
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| Here's a close up of the flower |
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| Side view of the flower |
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| Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this lovely rose. Does the plant rebloom throughout the season, or just in spring time in your garden? Apparently this is Rosa damascena. |
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| Ahh. Looks more like a China, from here. Can you tell us a bit about it? I take it that this is a "local" rose? Hawaii?? I have seen one other red China, grow for a long time in HA. And yes -- Does it repeat bloom? Jeri |
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| Lovely rose, Bob! I would certainly love to hear more about growing roses in Hawaii! |
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| Yes, Lokelani (Rosa Damascena) repeats rapidly like a china. It is the official flower of the island of Maui. Was introduced to Hawaii by New England seaman or Christian missionaries. I pruned it a couple of weeks ago, which is why there's only two bloom left. Usually, the whole bush is covered with flowers. The legs look naked because I cut off the side branches to give my Souvenir de St Annes more room nearby. |
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| I think that's a China. As I said, I've seen another (very similar) red China -- also grown for years in Hawaii. Jeri |
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| Here, for instance, is "Elisabeth's China," another Found China Rose, in the Sacramento City Cemetery. Jeri |
This post was edited by jerijen on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 12:55
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| I googled further, apparently R. damascena was the original rose called Lokelani in Hawaii, then red Chinas took over, it may be Louise Phillippe. Interesting story here: |
Here is a link that might be useful: Lokelani has been different roses over the years
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| It's perhaps worth mentioning that "R. damascena" and "R. x damascena" have been used in ways we would not necessarily anticipate. For instance, look at William Paul's *The Rose Garden*. I have p. 235 under my eye at the moment, where we find his Group XXIII under "Rosa Damascena." And Group XXIII consists of Hybrid Perpetuals (Paul also includes such Damask Perpetuals as 'Rose du Roi' (his 'Crimson Perpetual') in this group. He also, of course, has the Damask Rose proper under "Rosa Damascena." And so a rose referred to as being Rosa damascena or Rosa x damascena (the "x" should make us yet more cautious!) could at least be a Damask, a Damask Perpetual, or a Hybrid Perpetual (at least, the more Damask Perpetualy ones: Paul interestingly--and, with time, I have thought appropriately--splits the HPs into several groups; the other groups he has as "Rosa Indica"). At any rate, the pix strongly appear to me to show a China rose of the 'Slater's Crimson' race. It indeed seems to have stepped right out of Redoute: Look at Redoute's plate of "Rosa Indica Cruenta" . . . |
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| AAMOF, I recently took a good look at that plate of "Rosa Indica Cruenta," and the comparison is apt. OdinThor will know that, in the 19th-Century, many roses, and particularly many China Roses, were sold as seed. That's likely why there are so many "slightly different" found Roses, which turn up here and there. I'm particularly fond of this pink one, which we collected in my own family's TX cemetery, and which we call "The China From Adina." I figure -- it's likely to be a seedling or sport of 'Old Blush.' Just another un-named China Rose, and not famous at all. :-) Jeri |
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| Hi Jeri and folks I was going to send these photos in private but this thread seems more topical and useful area for info exchange. Perhaps you can identify this rose "type" (china influence, tea, musk or modern or some mix) I found 2 weeks ago at the Lyon Arboretum on Oahu when searching for the Lokelani Rose - it was in the spice garden area - it was unlabeled and pretty much wild. I could detect no fragrance.
...and why when I win the lottery I am immigrating to this state.
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| Beats me. :-) The "problem" with red China Roses seems to be that there are so many minor variations on a theme. And just to complicate matters, if I were sailing to Hawaii in the early 19th-Century, and wanted to take roses along, I might well take packets of seeds. Not being a botanist (yes, I do wish I'd studied that in school, but I studied art, instead, and English) I just finally decided that I love all the red Chinas, and I don't care what they "really" are. Shoot, there are red China Roses, I am told, that live feral in the Sequoia foothills . . . Jeri 'White Pearl In Red Dragon's Mouth' (per LeRougetel) |
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| Thanks, I was completely stumped not seeing any anything I would recognize as damask. Being in zone 3, it would be hopeless for me even to pretend what it could be ... I live with the excitement of finding it and maybe one day they will work down through their keys. I like your feral description as it fits well with the condition of the rose and how it is growing and spreading, truly wild looking. |
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| And I might say, Riku, that final photo of yours just brings me up short. My mother was born in Hawaii (but did not grow up there) and my grandmother loved the place deeply. I grew up on her stories of Hawaii around 1920-22. It's easy to see why. She loved her roses -- and all of her garden -- and I think she always wished she could have remained there. If she had, I bet she'd have grown the Lokelani Rose. :-) Jeri |
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