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mzstitch 7b (
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Mon, Mar 17, 14 at 18:29
| I'm getting ready to plant next month, and with hard red clay soil and a busy schedule I'm going to start digging early. I'm seeing pictures of these antique roses that don't match up with suggested widths. I'm only planting once, so please help me plan the spacing. Multibilis is already planted, I planted that last year. My plan is the following: Marie Van Houtte - Mrs. B. R. Cant. - Mrs. Dudley Cross - Mutibillis. I am zone 7b South Carolina, and would like to plant them permanently in there location so I would like them to eventually grow close to each other with not quite touching if possible. Thank you.
Marcia |
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| Mzstitch. Mrs BR Cant will get to 10 ft wide in Texas. Mutabilis and Mrs Dudley Cross can also get to 8 ft wide. Uncertain about Marie Van Houtte. If you dont want them to touch I recommend 12 ft spacing for Ms BRC and 10 ft for the others I mentioned. You're blessed to have so much space. Sounds like a beautiful combination. Please share your fall display although they will still be babies. Happy planting. |
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| Here in California with sandy clay I planted my teas in a long curved row on 8 foot centers, but I'm okay with them growing together. I will have room along the front and back to get to them. It will be several years until I see how they shape up. Folly |
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| Another thought. If you really don't want to ever move them (sensible, IMO) then better to go a bit farther rather than a bit closer than your best guess. If later the resulting bed seems too empty for your tastes, you can always fill in with perennials and bulbs for a fuller appearance. Time the bloom of those perennials for the seasons when you have less bloom from the roses. In many areas that is the heat of late summer. Folly |
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| Rosefolly has a good idea! These roses can grow quite wide over time and I've always erred on the side of impatience and tight planting which results in laborious relocations. Grrrr. Carol |
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| Thank you all for your thoughts. Yes I do feel blessed to have so much space. Athough my husband keeps asking me if I'm done planting roses yet. This year he will be away on business most of April, so I'll sneak these little roses in, lol. Off-centering is a great idea, but I want these straight along the side of a horse fence so I'll stick with ten feet apart with all just to be safe. With heavy red clay I'm only digging once, and I know most Tea roses don't like heavy trimming. I also think adding perrenials later will be fun, and I agree thats a great way to fill in gaps. These will be my first tea roses, so I'm quite excited to get them! |
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| I have a mutabilis in North Texas that's 20 feet wide and 10 feet tall. Don't underestimate how well these roses grow in warm climates if left unpruned. |
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| Mzstitch, be sure to post pics when your rose hedge blooms. It's going to be a magnificent sight someday! Done planting roses?! Not in this lifetime. :-) |
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N.B. about the hard red clay, I hope you're thinking about drainage. Perhaps this isn't an issue with you. I garden in extremely heavy gray clay, and two rainy winters have proven that I should have amended the soil far more than I did, as I've had a number of warm climate roses die or suffer badly from root rot. Our soil is so poor that in places where I dug and a rose failed, I had to amend it all over again a second time. And the ground is steep, too, which helps with drainage.
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This post was edited by melissa_thefarm on Wed, Mar 19, 14 at 2:18
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| Melissa, yes I definitly amend my soil! That's another reason it takes so long planting a plant here. Not only do I have to dig in hard clay but then it all has to go back in my wheelbarrow to combine it with peat moss and organic topsoil. I also test my hole before filling it to see how the hole drains. If it drains poorly, I make it bigger until I'm comfortable that it drains well enough. Some parts of my yard are better than others, and where these teas are going its actually the better soil as the builder didn't put any fill in that area. Lucas of Tx I believe you've posted me pictures of that beautiful Multabilis! I will definitly keep that in mind. Yes Carol, I'll post pictures, I love showing off my roses here as my family pays little attention, lol. |
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