It reminds me of my 'Pierre Notting' -- the HP, NOT 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting' the Tea. That doesn't mean I think that's what it probably is -- there's a few Bourbon-like HPs with flowers like that. But, since I have PN, that was the first thing which came to my mind.

Also look at 'Dupuy Jamain'. And while you have the chance, look through Vintage Gardens' website at other HPs, narrowing the search by color.

:-)

~Christopher

It's wonderful! Do you think it still might be an HT or climbing HT? I wish I had an answer.

What gorgeous flowers! I can just imagine what that color really looks like in person. Red is so difficult to capture with a camera.

The color/form DOES look like Pierre Notting, which I would love to grow. It's been on my lust-list for a LONG time, but it's probably not a good plan in this climate.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.82282

Jackie, I thought of Dupuy Jamain (Christopher's second suggestion) when I saw your rose. RVR rates Dupuy fff for fragrance but as I recall, I found it quite fragrant when I last sniffed one. I think Connie at Hartwood has a good pic of her bush/flowers on her website. What a wonderful rose you started! Where did you get the cutting? Carol

Thanks for the suggestions! I will definitely look them all up.

Carol - I got the cutting from a rose bush which is still growing in our garden, under a quince bush and a flowering crab apple tree and all sorts of other stuff. It grows in the shade, and only blooms in the Spring. Silly me, I thought that meant it was a once bloomer! I was rooting cuttings of some of the ancient roses in our garden which were planted by my DH's ancestors, so I did this one too. Low and behold, planted in the sun it blooms from about March through Nov!

Jackie

Yes Please.....lol

What a lovely rose. Hope you can root some more cuttings and that some one will offer it for sale in the future.

Going OT: Jackie, do you do anything with the crab apples? I've had a major hankering for crab apple jelly for YEARS- it's one of those things you just cant GET unless you know someone who has a crab apple tree. It was one of my favorite things when I was a kid.

zjw727 - no, I do not do anything with the crab apples - I had no idea there was such a thing as crab apple jelly. I will look it up. Also, I have a niece who is the pastry chef for a fancy restaurant, and makes all sorts of jams & jellies & curds. I will ask her. If it is not too hard, I will try it. We do get lots of crab apples.

Jackie

Repeat bloom on what you thought was a once-bloomer! I love those kinds of surprises. When you settle on an ID, please post. Also, cuttings for sale (Kippy'ssuggestion) would be wonderful for others in your area. Carol

What color are your crab apples? Any idea what type?

I am sure you get more chill than we do, but I really want to plant one for mom. They had one when she was a child in Denmark that they made Crab Apple Butter with that her brother had to have with every meal.

Jackie,

Maybe you could make hard cider with the crab apples.

Cath

Kippy, I dunno if there is any crossover between European fruit varieties and those bred in the US....but in the UK, the very best crab for jelly is 'John Downie' - large (ish) golden and blushed crab-apples which make a superb amber jelly.
We add rowan berries, cherry plums and blackberries to the crab mix....and call it 'hedgerow jelly'.

Will go along with Cath's suggestion too - if you hire a fruit press, cider can be made easily with crab-apples.

Jacqueline, no ideas about the rose (although I did fleetingly think of Fisher Holmes)

About Pierre Notting, Mine is a lot more purplish. Dupuy Jamain isn't a bad idea. Whatever it is, I'm glad you have saved it.

Jackie,
They look very similar to the Gruss an Teplitz that I saw at the new Ruth's Rose Garden at FSC campus. It is listed as a Bourbon by Paul Barden from the late 1800s. It is listed as a hybrid tea by Helpmefind. Reds are very hard to photograph and I hope I attached the correct picture from my phone. At any rate, yours is a beautiful rose! Btw, Malcolm also photographed this rose and it is featured on his photos of the new garden taken about a week ago on page 2.

Jacqueline, did you ever get an ID on your gorgeous old rose? I don't suppose it might be 'Henry Nevard'? Blooms look similar to me, and it is reputed to be very fragrant... Just hazarding a guess, but would love to know if you settled on its class/variety...

I found this thread while researching HP's in general, and more specifically to try to find out which HP's might do well in my cllimate. 'Reine des Violettes' does do very well here; can she be the only one?

Whoever/whatever your rose is, it's a real beauty, and I'm glad you were able to propagate it, and discover its reblooming capability.

Virginia

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Henry Nevard' on HMF

Jackie -- The color on this photo is pretty accurate on my screen, FWIW.

This is the Dupuis Jamain I got from Jim Delahanty, who grew it for years. IIRC, JD said that it was not a really generous repeat bloomer.

(JERI)

Jeri, that's a beautiful rose right there. I'm very impressed that you can photograph reds accurately.

Virginia

It looks like Dupuis Jamain to my eyes. But I don't remember DJ having a strong scent when I stiffed him.

I don't know about you lot, but I want to go to tea at Campanula's place - that hedgerow jelly sounds absolutely divine! I would be more than willing to bring the scones and cream... :-)

Thanks, guys. Honestly I have given up trying to put a specific name on it. All of the suggestions are possible. The colors never look quite right to me ( Henry Navard looks too red, Dupuis Jamain looks too pale in many pics, etc). So, I decided to just enjoy it and not drive myself crazy.

My rose has, I must say, a completely consistent color. One thing, it has sent up suckers all around it for about 10 inches. I dug one up and moved it last year, and it is about 18 inches high and thriving. So, now I have three bushes. When the two which are in the sun bloom again I will take pictures of the blooms, and leaves & prickles etc, and post them on here.

Since it makes suckers, maybe I will pot one up and give it to the Historic Cemetery rose garden in Sacramento.

Jackie

Haha ... I mean sniffed...not stiffed!

That's a wonderful idea Jackie... I normally am not a red rose person, but your unknown rose sure is beautiful.

Virginia, I normally do no better with reds than anyone else does. THIS rose just happened to be a color I could capture.

prickles, thanks for the clarification- I was wondering what sort of rose pruning or propagation technique that might be! (Of course, it was also pretty late when I read it...)

;>)

Virginia

Jacqueline, it's just as gorgeous without a name as with. And that little element of mystery adds a hint of spice to its beauty...

I think it's a great idea to pot up a volunteer for the Cemetery.

Virginia

Jeri, I was hoping there was some magic formula you had figured out, and even if you weren't going to share the secret, that would give me hope that I might someday stumble across it myself!

Oh, well- I occasionally get a good color likeness of red flowers, but it's down to luck, not skill.

Virginia

I can sometimes manipulate the color a bit with software, but too much of that, and what you end up with is worse.

I DO tend to get more accurate reds on a foggy morning, when the light is very soft and flat.

Gruss an Teplitz has distinctly serrated leaves with sort of red-tinged edges, if that's any help. It's a wonderful rose. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.325489

Stems can be pigmented, too, it appears. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.286892

Jackie -- Did you ever get an ID on this rose???

Jeri - yes I did, but it was a long time ago and now I forget who told me, but it was probably someone at the Celebration of Old Roses. I think I was told it is Eugene de Beauharnais. The original picture I posted above is the first plant of this rose which I planted in the sun, and discovered it was NOT a once bloomer. Below is a pic of the original original rose, (planted by one of my DH's ancestors) still growing in mostly shade below the crab apple tree, Japanese quince, and several other roses. It blooms happily, but only in the Spring. I know the one above in my original post is the same rose, because I planted that one when the one below tip rooted and I dug up the baby plant.

I know you grow EdB, Jeri - what do you think? Amazing fragrance on all three of mine - the strongest "old rose" fragrance of all of the roses I have.

Jackie

I think that could be it! What do you think?

Jeri - it looks like it to me. Later today I will post pics of the leaves, prickles, and hips, if I can find any. We think our original one was planted in the 1920s - 1940s, so anything newer than that would not be the one. EdB was hybridized in the 1830s.

Jackie

Ok, I finally had time to go out and take some pictures of the leaves, prickles, and buds of my wanna be Eugene de Beauharnais. I could not find any hips from last year - just dried up flower remnants. Jeri - does yours EdB set hips?

Here are the pics:

Jackie

note prickles below - on a mature cane, and a new cane below it - they are very small, but sharp and curved