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| Let me start off by saying that I know that roses do better in full sun. etc. etc. I also grow plenty of hosta, astilbe, columbine, ferns and what not-- and I'm not looking to add those here. I want a bed of old roses making a barrier of sorts- and they will be sited to the north and east of some large ponderosas. They'll get 6 hours of sun, but it will be in the long rays of the day after before 9 am and after 3 pm (it's light up here from 4 am to 10 pm) I prefer blousy blooms and fragrant. I know Alba Incarnata/Great Maidens Blush and Alchemist are considered pretty shade tolerant, but I am wondering about others. I am also going to add a rose that my friend grows which is probably some sort of Banshee (virgiania?) variant- or centifolia/moss which tolerates shade very well. (I think it's the same rose as Hallies Rose as discussed on Gardenweb- came from the same town in Montana before 1940) anyway- Or etc. I'd really like a stronger colored dark pink or red if possible. There is one at High country which is a found rose from Denvery Proserphine red or something? thanks very much for any help. Thanks |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 21:23
| The Hybrid Musk Vanity was recommended to me as shade tolerant (HMF agrees.) Mine is still a baby so I can't tell yet. It's a bold pink and looks blowsy to me although I haven't seen any blooms yet - and it's fragrant. HMF says it's hardy but also says zone 6B, but maybe that's just the default. I wish you well with your shady rose garden. I'm curious. Where are you? Alaska, maybe? Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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- Posted by lola-lemon none (My Page) on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 21:35
| No northern Washington. I rounded those numbers -- I think that twilight in June is 4:10 am and 9:30 pm. It starts getting light 40 minutes before sun up. When I had a very easy to wake infant I was VERY aware of how quickly the light returned. Now I don't mind. Actually, it's great to have such a long pleasant day. Thanks for your suggestion on the musk. There are several musks that are shade tolerant, so that makes sense. |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 22:12
| You're welcome. I guess you'll have a bunch to choose from. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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- Posted by ilovemyroses 8 Dallas TX (My Page) on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 23:03
| I may be out of step, but I'd say those early am hours alone should do u fine!! Early am sun seems the most beneficial to mine. So, the addition of sun after 3? I think u can do fine with some roses as mentioned. |
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| I have read that the Rosa albas do well (you have listed a few) as well as the musks and Mme. Alfred Carriere. I believe shade tolerant roses are listed under that heading in Graham Stuart Thomas's books but do not have access to them at the moment. Good luck in your quest. Cath |
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| I am from Texas, 2 hours NE of Houston. I am going to be planting alot of teas, noisettes and tea-noisettes. I know the teas do well in full, hot sun as I have a whole row of them along a fenceline that do just great. But I am wondering about the noisettes and tea-noisettes. How would these do in full sun almost all day? Or would they do better with some shade? Thanks! Judith |
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| Most hybrid musks or albas are shade tolerant....if you're looking for red, you'll be most likely looking at hybrid musks. I just ordered Vivaldi from Vintage and its a red. I also have Art Deco which is a red hybrid musk, and very healthy (although it may be a mismarked Bakavu, which someone pointed out) Tammy |
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| As Tammy said, most hybrid musks are shade tolerant, but I'm not sure how cold tolerant they are. They don't have blousy blooms, but usually clusters of small blooms. I've found most gallicas to be fairly shade tolerant. Like albas and centifolias, they are once-bloomers, but you'll get your large blooms and heavy fragrance. And it would be worth trying rugosas, which are very tough, cold hardy, fragrant, repeat bloomers. Some can be quite blousy. Rogue Valley has a good selection. |
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- Posted by peachymomo Ca 8 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 11:03
| As a person with a shadey garden I've done a lot of research on this subject, one helpful tip I learned was that disease resistant roses with fewer petals are better suited to shade than most others. Being in a warmer climate I ended up with quite a few hybrid musks, but if they aren't hardy enough I'm sure there are plenty of others. One thing that I found helpful was online nurseries that have an option for browsing through just the shade tolerant roses in their inventory, Rogue Valley Roses and the Antique Rose Emporium both have that option. Good luck with your search! |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 12:21
| I'd stick with once bloomers like albas and gallicas. Where you are probably going to run into trouble is with the flowers failing to open properly on varieties with a lot of packed petals, though my Charles de Mills does fine with only the afternoon sun you are talking about. Little fragrance, though. It is going to be a trial and error thing. The one thing I would think through is whether you want a reasonably uniform hedge - basically all large flowered once bloomers, or if roses with a different growth habit and flowering habit have a place there. |
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- Posted by TheShepherdess none (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 13:03
| In my experience, there are LOTS of roses that do great in the conditions you are describing and shade should not be a deterrent to a fantastic rose garden! I have grown some roses in very similar circumstances and was really nervous at first, but have had good results! Here's what I'm growing in some shady areas: DA "Claire" In particular, the Abraham Darby is happy as a clam. TONS of blooms last year, on an older plant that I transplanted when we moved. The others are pretty young, but I have grown those varieties at our old house in part-shade and they did great. |
Here is a link that might be useful: The DA Claire rose that I grow. Love it!
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| But, be WARE -- Abe Darby can blackspot badly where that is a problem. Maybe you're too cool for that . . . Jeri |
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| You probably had good luck with disease in those shady spots, shepherdess, because you are in an arid area (Utah) like I am. Shade doesn't affect disease much here, but it does decrease bloom for my roses in that situation. Diane |
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- Posted by TheShepherdess 6b/7a (My Page) on Sun, Mar 17, 13 at 16:25
| Diane, I am in Utah too! Along the Wasatch front. Perhaps that is why my plants have had so little trouble. I have lived and gardened in Nevada and Utah, both very dry climates. Maybe wetter areas would not do as well... |
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| I didn't word that very well, shepherdess. I meant I was your neighbor in southwest Idaho, and this whole huge area of several states is very dry, which is what keeps disease away. Unfortunately, roses love rain, as well as sunshine which we get very little of. Everything is based on a massive irrigation system around here, and watering is a way of life. Diane |
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