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Posted by foskey17 ga (My Page) on Wed, Apr 22, 09 at 14:24
| Hi, I am new to the antique rose world. I live in south georgia and would like some reccomendations on old roses that would do good in my area. Thanks Lisa |
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| Gotta buncha folks here who are in your general area, Lisa. And I'm sending you a Hello from Southern California.
:-) Jeri |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| Welcome, Lisa. Let me direct you to another Lisa, the proprietor of Countryside Roses in Pass Christian, MS. Lisa's website is www.countrysideroses.com. She grows highly disease resistant (no spray) roses for the South. Take a look at her list, you may choose to order your roses from Chamblee's, ARE or Ashdown but vet your choices by Miss Lisa's list first, anything she grows would be great for you. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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Hello, Lisa. Nice to have you here.
The one thing that you should remember when ordering old/antique roses is that a lot of them only bloom once. I have a Mme. Plantier and it blooms in the late sping only.
But on the other hand, they are a lot easier to grow than HTs. The Antique Rose Emporium has a very nice website when you are trying to choose and I have been very satisfied with the roses from them. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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- Posted by alameda 8 - East Texas (My Page) on
Wed, Apr 22, 09 at 16:39
I am in east Texas but I would imagine these roses would do well for you. They are some of my favorites:
Crepuscule
La Marne
Skyrocket
Blush and Nachitoches Noisette
Sally Holmes
Old Blush - bush and climbing
Rosette de Lizy
Caldwell Pink
the Buck roses - love them all
Champlain
Eutin
Clotilde Soupert
Clair Matin
Mme. Alfred Carriere
Mrs. Pierre du Pont
There are so many - hard to list them all. These are blooming for me now and are gorgeous. Have fun!
Judith |
RE: easy care antique roses
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old blush was planted in the garden about one century ago and none cared for it for decades. It's still there. So it is carefree, just give it a good exposition (sun).
I'd say the same of all china roses, many of them are continuously in bloom. Try mutabilis, one of my favourite.
Many gallica and damsk roses are carefree but once-bloomer.
Many rugosas, if you give them a location where they get the sun only for half a day. Many antique roses are carefree: there were not today's chemical poisons to save the most fragile. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| Some of my favorites and all easy care: Old Blush, Duchess de Brabant, Georgetown Tea, Le Vesuve, Carefree Beauty(Katy Road Pink), Monsieur Tillier, Mutabilis, Madame Antoine Rebe, Nachitoches Noisette, Perle d'Or, Red Smith's Parish, Mrs. B. R. Cant. Once these get established they will bloom for you continuously and are carefree for the most part. I think you can order most of these from The Antique Rose Emporium, Chamblees, Countryside Roses. Hope you enjoy your roses. Vicki |
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| And Louis Philippe, Archduke Charles, Jean Bach Sisley, Reve d'Or, Spice, Maman Cochet, Mme Antoine Mari, Nur Mahal, and on and on. Sherry |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| Many Southern roses get big so how much room you have might be an issue. I recommend you get Blush Noisette...its fragrant and blooms like mad and has a beautiful bush form. Mine is disease free and a big favorite among my non-rose growing friends. Here is mine (top of waterfall)
 Fellenberg is immediately to the right of Blush Noisette.
Knock Outs on the left (planted on a rock shelf and virtually no soil)
Climbing Pinkie back right on the fence. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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"old blush was planted in the garden about one century ago and none cared for it for decades. It's still there. So it is carefree, just give it a good exposition (sun)."
@scardan - had to read this a couple of times ;-) Thought you meant no one liked it, before I got that it didn't need care, hee, hee. On another thought, I'm curious about D de Brabant. I almost got it this year but didn't because HMF made a mention of mildew susceptibility. What are people's experiences??? |
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- Posted by solicitr 7b Central Virginia (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 28, 09 at 14:00
| "On another thought, I'm curious about D de Brabant. I almost got it this year but didn't because HMF made a mention of mildew susceptibility. What are people's experiences???" Mildew? The Duchesse? Really? Last spring was really bad for mildew here- even my rugosas got a touch, fer Pete's sake- but the Duchesse just laughed at it. DdB grown no-spray will get a little blackspot, but not enough to matter; she just drops the infected leaves and keeps on blooming. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| In Southern California, both Duchesse de Brabant and Old Blush mildew. It's not that they mildew some in the cool spring, but that they mildew at a low level all of the time. OTOH, Old Blush is Grreat in Texas. I'd also suggest Gloire des Rosomanes (Ragged Robin). Jeri |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| You should also look tea roses, I live in NE Georgia and they do very well here. They are almost evergreen in my zone. They also can get quite large. I'm just starting out with them, so can't say yet how easy they are. But they do require less pruning and are more blackspot resistant than other roses I have. Marie d'Orleans is doing very well in my yard. She is the tea I've had the longest so far. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| Lisa, have you found Help Me Find, an on line data base of roses? You can look up all of those fabulous roses people have mentioned and also see where you can purchase them. Please 'scuse me if you already know about this. I posted the link below to the entry for Madame Antoine Mari, a tea rose, on Help Me Find. I hope you enjoy old roses! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Help Me Find - Madame Antoine Mari
RE: easy care antique roses
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| I grow antique roses in downtown Atlanta without spraying. I have a lot of variety in an urban lot - I just keep them pruned to the size I need them - my front yard is small but it is crammed with antiques. I also grow some small polynathas so that I can tuck more roses into small places!! Many of the roses I grow are listed in Countryside. It's hard to find "Jean's No Spray List" on GW anymore - but this is a list I found here and use regularly. Jean who lives in TN posted the list and it was a very good guide. |
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| I had saved some of Jean's List/Message....I hope I'm not out of line by pasting it back here. It's such a great list. This is my list of no-spray roses. I am in Nashville, Zone 7. This list contains roses that I have found lose fewer than 30% of their leaves over the season over the past 8 years. This list probably has little value to northern growers because very little of what I grow would survive there. It's also likely that folks like Olga have a particularly nasty strain of blackspot because many of these roses are tried and true throughout the south.
Jean Polyanthas: The Fairy
Cl. Clotilde Soupert
Cl. Cecile Brunner
Clotilde Soupert
La Marne
Gourmet Popcorn
Mrs. R.M. Finch
Perle dOr
Phyllis Bide Hybrid Musks: Excellenz von Schubert
Darlow's Enigma
Gardindirektor Otto von Linne Shrubs: Carefree Delight
Earth Song
Pearl Meidiland
Carefree Sunshine
Belindas Dream
Carefree beauty a/k/a/ Katy Road Pink
Winter Sunset
Prairie Sunrise
Knock Out Ramblers: Alberic Barbier
Francois Juranville
Aviateur Bleuriot
Alexander Girault
Ayrshire Queen
Paul Transon
Emily Gray
Francois Guillot Chinas: Pink Pet/Caldwell Pink
Arethusa
Le Vesuve
Comtesse du Cayla
Bermudas Kathleen
Ducher
Napoleon
Cramoisi Superieur
Little White Pet Noisettes: Crepuscule
Blush Noisette
Souv de Mme. LAdvocat
Narrow Water
Nastarana
Jaune Desprez
Reve dOr
Duchesse dAuerstadt
Alister Stella Gray
Lamarque
Champneys Pink Cluster
William Allen Richardson
Secret Garden Musk Teas: Lady Hillingdon
Maman Cochet
Duchesse de Brabant
Baronne Henriette de Snoy
Georgetown Lemon White Tea
William R. Smith
Rosette Delizy
Comtesse Festestics
Souv. de Pierre Notting
Rock Hill Peach Tea
La Sylphide
Le Pactole
Jean Bach Sisley
Clementina Carbonieri
Etoile de Lyon
Mme. Maurin
Alliance Franco-Russe
Mrs. Dudley Cross
Monsieur Tillier
Mme. Joseph Schwartz
Georgetown Tea
Hermosa
Isabella Sprunt
Mrs. B.R. Cant
Lorraine Lee
Enchantresse
J.E. Murphy's Pink Tea
Angel Camp Tea
Puerto Rico
Safrano
Mme. Antoine Rebe
Mme. Berkeley
Marie van Houtte
Triomphe de Luxembourg
Rhodologue Jules Graveraux
Smiths Parish
Cels Multiflora
Humes Blush
Souv. dun Ami
Miss Caroline
Thomasville Old Gold
Duke of York
Niles Cochet
Mme. Antoine Marie
Mme. Lombard
Rubens
Irene Bonnet
Mme. Camille
Paul Nabonnand
Mme. de la Sombreuil
Isabelle Nabonnand
Devoniensis Hybrid Teas: Eva de Grossouvre
Radiance
Red Radiance
Careless Love
Maman Lyly
Lady Ursula Climbers: Awakening
Clair Matin
Cl. Lady Waterlow
Westerland
Autumn Sunset
New Dawn Floribundas: Strawberry Ice a/k/a Bordure Rose Bourbons: Souv. de la Malmaison
Mystic Beauty
Kronprincessin Viktoria
Souv. de St. Anne a/k/a Miss Abbot Robert |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| I have had problems with the following roses balling in the spring: Mme Franziska Kruger, Amazone, William R. Smith, Mrs. B.R. Cant, Mrs. Dudley Cross, Niles Cochet. But, Safrano and Mme Antoine Mari never ball. Does anyone know of any other tea roses that do not ball? Thanks- Carlene
flowerlady62@sbcglobal.net |
RE: easy care antique roses
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Many of them, Carlene.
You don't say what Z 9A you are located in -- I am in coastal Southern California, in an area often cool and foggy.
The Cochets can ball for me, but I forgive them that, for their other excellent qualities. Check out:
Mme. Berkeley
Le Pactole
Rosette Delizy
Mons. Tillier
Devoniensis
Catherine Mermet (tho she will mildew for me)
Mutabilis
Lady Hillingdon
Mme. Antoine Rebe (she also mildews for me at the coast)
Etoile de Lyon (you may have to remove the outer "guard" petals, in dampish weather)
Mme. Lambard (can mildew)
Smith's Parish (like a gigantic China)
Marie van Houtte And Archduke Charles, which while it is a China, has much in common with the Tea Roses. I'm sure you'll get other suggestions, but these come quickly to my mind. Jeri |
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RE: Climbing Teas
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| Oh - one other thing about tea roses. It's not unusual for the blossom of a tea rose to "nod" once it's mostly open. The stems supporting tea blossoms often are too weak to keep the blossoms upright once they've opened (one of the big reasons why hybrid teas were created). As a consequence one of the best ways to enjoy tea roses is to grow the climbing teas. That way you still get to enjoy the seeing the spiraling petals of the open blossoms because you look into them when you look up at them, and see them as they nod down at you. Here is the HelpMeFind page for Gloire de Dijon, a famous climbing tea rose. |
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RE: easy care antique roses
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| Lisa, I live in the Atlanta area. In addition to those mentioned, Marie Pavie does well for me. I also have very little black spot on Duchesse d'Auerstadt and Madame Alfred Carriere--these were on Jean's list. I have others that I've been told are easy care but they are very young and I don't really know yet. Hope this helps and hope you enjoy gardening with roses. You'll find all kinds of great help here. Don't hesitate to ask for advice. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| I'm a beginner when it comes to OGRs (except the Austins which really aren't OGRs) but here goes. I do generally spray for BS 2x month since it's so prevalent here, but I suspect the roses below could do with considerably less since most really never have any signs of it. I fert heavily once in the spring and never winter protect. Austins and Austin-like I've had forever and are easy:
Heritage
James Galway
Traviata - definitely needs some spray, but otherwise easy and is shade tolerant. Had for at least 2 seasons. They are healthy but the chinas are oh, so slow growing:
Archduke Charles - china
Cramosi's Supierior - china
Louis XIV - china
Field of the Woods - probably needs some spray. Planted early this spring:
Souvenier de la Malmaison - This was my 3rd attempt but this clone from Edmunds took off like few first year roses I've ever attempted.
Upon arrival, it was definitely bigger that the other clones of it I tried.
I'm gonna root a couple of cuttings from this bush. |
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| I planted some antique roses for the first time this spring. All have been wonderful, but the two that have been almost literally carefree (I've done nothing but water them when it gets really dry) have been Spice and Mutabilis. Both of these also have been in bloom pretty regularily - not constantly, but frequently. Spice is lovely: in the heat it is almost white and spicey smelling, but in the cooler weather this fall it is much more pink and floral in its scent. |
RE: easy care antique roses
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| just give it a good exposition (sun).' |
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