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Flores Street House Eater - San Antonio

Posted by petra 8 (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 6, 09 at 17:20

Does anyone here have contact info for the property owners? We drove by when we were in San Antonio last week and the rose is absolutely gorgeous. I would love some cuttings, but did not want to ring the doorbell and bother them without asking first.

Also, I heard a couple years ago that someone was going to do a gene test to determine if the rose is Lamarque, does anyone know if this was done and what the outcome was?


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RE: Flores Street House Eater - San Antonio

I'd sure love to see a photo of that rose.

Jeri


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RE: Flores Street House Eater - San Antonio

Hi Petra

Haven't seen your name here for a long while.

You sent me Rosaium Uetersen and Rhode Island Red a few years back. RU last year had what looked like a sport. Waiting this year to see if it will do it again. A really beautiful flower!

So what's the story with Lamarque?


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Jim, good to "see" you!!! :o)
I am glad RU is doing well for you. Mine died due to the drought, as did RIR. How is your RIR?

Jeri, here's a House Eater photo from several years ago. At that time, the house was empty and the rose was growing through the fence, so I was able to take cuttings. Several rooted, but then croaked on me. :o] The scent is wonderful, very lemony.


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It certainly LOOKS like Lamarque.
But what I'd love to see is the whole plant.

Jeri


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It's very difficult to take a photo of the whole plant. It was always behind a fence, and the most recent owner has put up a new, higher fence. I believe Allison interviewed the owner about the rose and was able to see in in the garden, not just from the street. Hopefully she'll post with her opinion and some photos.


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jerijen, I just came across an article by the owner of Peaceful Habitations, and he happens to have a shot of the whole plant posted on his website. I don't want to post the pic without permission, so I linked it below.

Here is a link that might be useful: Flores Street House Eater


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RE: Flores Street House Eater - San Antonio

We were in San Antonio again today and finally got around to checking on the house eater again, in the hopes of taking a few more cuttings. Alas, the house eater is no more. When we didn't see any evidence of it, we parked and walked along the property. Hubby managed to peek through the fence, which is overgrown with bamboo and other vegetation and says only the huge trunk remains, no visible growth. More than likely, the persistent TX drought and not enough supplemental watering killed it. So sad that lovely old rose is gone, I wish we'd stopped by a few years ago to get more cuttings and try rooting them again.


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I remembered seeing a larger photo a few years back on the HRF site. I finally found it. It shows the rose from a slightly different perspective. (At the link, scroll down a bit to find the pic.)

Here is a link that might be useful: Flores St Rose @ HRF


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Jax, love that photo, thanks for linking it. When we saw it, it was in full bloom and spilling over the fence onto the sidewalk. Just a gorgeous rose and such a wonderful scent. So sad it's no longer there. The property looks different, they replaced the chain link with a tall wooden fence which is overgrown with really thick foliage to where you can't see into the property. But Hubby was able to look through a gap on the top and saw what appeared to be the huge dried up trunk and no evidence of rose canes.


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I am really sorry to hear this. It's a crying shame to see a good old plant like this lost. I guess it was inevitable -- not everyone wants to deal with something that immense, but tragic, nonetheless.

Jeri


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Jeri, it really is. I could just kick myself for not getting more cuttings. If I remember correctly, Peaceful Habitations sold rooted cuttings from the house eater. But they are closed too, last time we drove by it looked like they had completely gone out of business and the property was for sale.


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I have a friend here in San Antonio who took cuttings from the 'Flores Street House Eater' and grows it in her yard. Sometime this fall maybe I can go over and get some cuttings to send to you. I know what it is like to want a rose and not be able to find it. Email me through my page. Your page is not set up to receive email.

I had it, but gave it up along with most of my other roses when I discovered chilli thrips on them.. It bloomed early on and the scent was wonderful. It reminded me of the scent of "Marechal Niel".


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It's been determined that 'Lamarque' has a very long history in San Antonio. Wm. Welch, in "Antique Roses for the South", writes about a contest in 1987 to locate the oldest existing rose plant in San Antonio, using old photos and other records as documentation.

The winner was not the Flores St rose. It was, however, a 'Lamarque' that had been growing in the same location for at least 97 years (in 1987). Welch doesn't report the size of the plant, but does state that it had been badly neglected/abused for several years. There must have been a happy ending for that rose, though. Welch concludes his remarks on that old 'Lamarque' by writing, "--but it soon demonstrated the resilience of the old varieties."

The Flores St rose is/was a remarkable specimen. I wonder if, among American rose plants, it was surpassed in size only by the Tombstone, AZ banksia. Does anyone know?


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Roselee, what a kind offer! Thanks so much. I sent you an email so you have my email address. So good to know parts of that beautiful rose are still in existence in San Antonio.
Jax, we went to see the Tombstone rose years ago, and it was quite amazing. Would be interesting to find out if there are any others even close in size to that one.


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Petra, I got your email, but at the bottom it said:

(PLEASE NOTE: The member responding to your post has chosen not to reveal his or her email address. Therefore, you cannot reply to this message via email.)

The contact information has to be changed on 'your page' for your email addy to appear. But you know how to contact me so if you decide you want some cuttings, or my friend might even have some rooted cuttings which is what I got from her, just let me know and put a contact address within your email.

Or maybe just get a Larmarque since many believe it is the same rose.

Wishing you all the best in roses!


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What a shame, all it needed was a new house. I'm glad pieces live on.


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Petra, I've never seen a 'Lamarque' that big, but there are banksiaes in the Sacramento City Cemetery that I think are probably bigger than the Tombstone Rose (which gets cut back periodically).

Jeri


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Just last evening I came upon a poignant reference to the Tombstone rose while reading "Son of a Gun", a recent, and very elegantly written, memoir by Justin St. Germain.

Part of the author's harrowing childhood was spent in Tombstone, site of so much gun violence during Arizona's territorial days.

His remarks about what he refers to as the World's Largest Rosebush: "It's my favorite place in all of Tombstone, the only pure thing in this whole town, the only attraction that doesn't depend on somebody dying."


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Well, that is true.

Tombstone, today, seems to me to be so tawdry. But if you get to that little museum at the right time, and open the door out into that shaded area under the rose, the scent of violets wraps all around you.

Even when it was younger and smaller, it must have been an oasis of sanity in a hard world.

Jeri


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Wow. Sobering tributes to a singular rose. St Germain's words are indeed poignant, Windeaux; and Jeri's ". . . oasis of sanity in a hard world" observation perfectly illuminates the author's sentiment.


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I was thinking the other day that we need gardens more than ever now. More parks, more gardens, more peacefulness and birdsong.

I always had a crazy dream of getting spaces purchased in the So. CA cities to make greenways that would link cities together so that you could walk or bike and never see a car. Every now and then would be a park. We have the Santa Ana river trail that goes to the ocean but it's not that green. Still, it's something and you can see herons and other birds there. I was reading how people were fighting to save some invasive trees that had grown in the LA river channel. They wanted to remove them to restore the channel in case of flooding but the people loved the wildness of the trees and the birds that came there and fought to save it.


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The river trees.


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Kitty, me too! It would be such a shame if this rose would disappear for good. Thanks to Roselee's friend and others it will continue on. And what beautiful trees, hopefully they will be saved.
Jeri, from what I remember, Mr. Cooper from Peaceful Habitations thinks it's likely Brightside Cream. Flores Street looks a lot like it. It is also supposed to have a very strong scent and the House Eater certainly did. After we took cuttings, the few blooms on the cuttings scented up the entire car with a very strong lemony scent.
Windeaux, am going to try to read the book you quoted, sounds interesting. We last saw Tombstone - and the rose - in the early 80's. The town is certainly very touristy but also very atmospheric. I always love the annual timed-for-Halloween "Haunted Tombstone" TV shows. :)


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I really hope it's not Lamarque! I have Lamarque in a pot and plan on planting it in my yard. But I don't have room for that!


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buford, better buy a really large trellis, just in case. Or plant it next to your house. :o)


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Hi Petra----How are you?---This is a wonderful post--also very sad----I love the river trees----
Thank goodness for the folks who try to save all these wonderful old roses---I'm afraid we are losing my wonderful old Paul's Himalayan Musk to RRD and it breaks my heart.
Florence


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Florence, you are missed! Got your email and sent you one back, your account should be straightened out shortly.


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I am Roselee's friend who has the Flores Street House Eater Rose. I took cuttings for a lady in Dallas 10 years ago, who was to drive down and pick them up. She posted that the rose was going to be destroyed, and begged for someone to please take cuttings, to save this piece of history. I stayed up until midnight trimming them just like she told me, and packing them in wet paper towels, then storing in the bottom drawer of the frig. She did drive down with her friend, I was to meet them after work. I did not want the rose for myself. I waited for the call, she never called. Later I found out that she had to drive back to Dallas because her friends grandson was in an accident. I posted on the Gardening in Texas forum, but since I did not know how to pack them, they did not make it. I was out quite a bit postage. I did not want the rose, and decided to just thow it away. My husband took some cutting and just stuck them in dirt that was in pots on our back patio. They rooted. I am now the owner of the Flores Street Eater. Good news, is that it is not dead, and anyone in Texas that wants cuttings just has to email me, I will let them take cuttings. I am constantly having to trim back this beast. It is at least 15 ft wide. It is definitely a re-bloomer. Barbra


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So glad this fine old rose is still around! Barbara, you should contact the Antique Rose Emporium in Independence - bet they would want cuttings and would probably eventually put it in commerce so it would not be lost. Greg Grant, at the Stephen F. Austin horticultural dept. in Nacogdoches might also be interested, as might Chamblees in Tyler.


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If they want cuttings, they can have them. I contacted the Antique Rose Emporium when it was here in San Antonio, I think the owner lived in the Hill Country, he also worked at USAA insurance company. He seemed interested, but never followed thru. Since I am not a rose person, I was trying to find it a good home. I did not want this rose, but it is now apart of my life. I kept it in a big clay pot, but it broke thru and now cannot be moved, its very thick like a tree. It requires no attention, I don't even water it. It has never been fed, it grows and blooms non stop. This rose needs lots of room to grow. Really a hardy rose. Never had black spot or aphids, its the perfect rose for someone like me. How I ended up with it, is a long story, that my husband likes to tell. Barbra


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