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Mon, Apr 28, 14 at 17:37
| I have a number of DA's and a few antiques. Everything is under blackspot attack right now. I love the pink DA's but they seem to be the worst for the blackspot, aside from Louise Odier. I'm ready to tear out the worst of the DA's and put in one healthy rose that I don't have to baby. But in all my searching I don't seem to find anything similar to the fluffy fragrance of the Austins that is pink. I haven't really considered once bloomers, but if there aren't any healthy rebloomers then I will go that direction. Also, these didn't have any issues last year, but they were babies. These are all in their second or third year and I'm wondering if I get rid of the worst offenders the rest might pull through OK. I'm especially interested to hear what works for other PNW gardeners. my spotty ones are: |
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| Not sure what you mean by fluffy; If you live in the eastern part of the P.N.W. this list won't help you as conditions are so different where I live near San Francisco, where most of the year P.M. is the main concern. Blackspot shows up in moist and warm weeks of the year which are fewer here, in spring and autumn. These fragrant pink roses are the most disease resistant in my garden although they are not totally free of blackspot I never spray with anything because the roses I grow never need it; Grandmothers Hat' Annies Annuals and Rogue Valley sometimes carry this. It is a wonderful Hybrid Perpetual, damask fragrance, and with a long bloom season and quick re-bloom for its' class. I find that the pink H.P.s are more disease resistant than the red ones, where I live. Princess Alexandra of Kent' light blackspot with fewer than 10% of the foliage covered with b.s. and that only during a couple months of the year. very fragrant of rose and stone fruit. Mlle. Cecille Brunner and Spray Cecillel Brunner, dainty small blooms, nice spicy fragrance. Very disease resistant, in my garden. Glendora a.k.a. Portland from Glendora. Deep pink rosebuds open to show a very lightly cupped bloom form. Totally clean in my garden this year. Mrs. Charles Bell is a Hybrid Tea, but when allowed to grow into a very large plant and well fed it has a more globular bloom form, not pointed in the center. Very disease resistant, here. Light sweet fragrance. Pink Radiance' another Hybrid Tea that was introduced before the high centered H.T bloom form became the most popular. All the Radiance clan are very disease resistant, in our neighborhood. Reine d'Anjou' clean foliage in my garden. An exquisite Moss rose, deeply cupped and lightly mossed, and the roses are the most wonderful clear pink with a lilac hue that becomes pure lilac at the edges. Deeply cupped. Graham S. Thomas wrote most highly about it. Mine came from hortico.com I use organic method gardening and ignore light disease on my roses, as long as they bloom well and have less than c. 10% foliage disease at the worst and then only for a few weeks of the year, I'd prefer that to the effort and cost of spraying. Good Luck, Luxrosa p.s. we got rid of Abraham Darby, it was a blackspot magnet and rusted badly too. |
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| I know you mentioned pink and this rose is purplish, but the Austin Wild Edric, which is really a rugosa, seems to be free of disease, and the fragrance is wonderful. I have four, of which two are from 2/25/14 and two from 12/14/13, and they are absolutely spotless, and three of them have buds. The fourth had a bloom which smelled wonderful and was very pretty. They're also vigorous growers, already as big as some bands I put in the ground a year earlier. They have the typical bright green rugosa foliage and thorns, and apparently also don't mind poor soil and little water, so for me they seem like the perfect rose if they continue to thrive. Bishop's Castle is beautiful and fragrant and, although it's had mildew, I've never seen blackspot on it. Ingrid |
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| melodyinz8a, I am in pnw8b (central oregon coast) also under blackspot attack right now. I have Austin bands from Heirloom Roses planted July 2013. The Austin pinkish/apricot roses with no or very little blackspot are: Westerland (no blackspot), St Swithin (small amount of blackspot at ground level, Belle Story (very little blackspot), Abraham Darby (no blackspot), Tamora (no blackspot), Tea Clipper (no blackspot). My Austin's with the most blackspot are several red Austins, Golden Celebration, Geof Hamilton, and Charlotte. These are all still very small plants. We have had a very wet April. Oh how I hope for a dryer May! |
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- Posted by melodyinz8a (My Page) on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 0:05
| Thank you, everyone. Luxrosa, I love your suggestions. Grandmother's hat is beautiful. I may try that after I see how Mme Caroline Testout matures. I'll give her a couple more years since she's a baby. I do have Glendora, brand new this spring. I planted her two weeks ago and she's still just sitting there, looking like she might not make it. I have her "sister" Sydonie which I planted last fall and she has a few buds set that I can't wait to see. I think the only rose that is diseased enough to make me really upset is Charlotte. Louise Odier is very badly covered too, but I'm really hoping it will outgrow it. barbjo, I am hoping for a beautiful May as well! We have had a lot of rain. I forgot I do have Geoff Hamilton as well. So far he's OK. We'll see :) Ingrid, your garden is such a dream! I love your rose taste. I've been dreaming about Bishop's castle for a while but don't want to spend $ on another disease prone plant. It's good to hear that it does well for you. I do have some wonderful, disease free roses covered with buds right now; I'll post some photos when the big bloom happens. |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 1:47
| Melody, in my Portland garden fragrant, fluffy pink rebloomers that have little or no blackspot are Comte de Chambord, Indigo, Blush Noisette and Rose de Rescht. Stanwell Perpetual (blush pink to white) is ultra healthy and reblooms here and there when mature. Nonremontants include Queen of Denmark and Great Maiden's Blush. La Ville de Bruxelles, which I've grown before and have just received for my current garden, is one of the most fragrant roses ever. Hermosa is not very fragrant but is pretty darn healthy and is fluffy and pink and charming. I grow a few mostly healthy Austins, but they are red, purple or apricot. I'm trying Paul Barden's Oshun this year. Its flowers rival Abe Darby's but since it was bred in the PNW, I have high hopes for good health. My garden is no spray. Carol |
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- Posted by melodyinz8a (My Page) on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 10:45
| Carol, Thank you for that list! That's good to know. Comte and Indigo may have a future here. I love the look of Paul Barden's roses and wish he had a pink! I am thinking of replacing Charlotte with his Joyce Barden though. Do you grow any tea's Carol? There are a few I'd like to try, but I wonder if it's futile. Melody |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 15:43
| Melody, ah, yes. Teas. As a matter of fact I do and they're both pink. They don't grow like weeds here and when weather is wet, their flowers ball; however, they rebloom fairly quickly. So, what the heck! I just cut off soggy messes and wait for dry blooms. Duchesse de Brabant, as she has matured, has become pretty darn disease resistant. She's not a fast grower for me, but I'm being patient. Her awkward shrub stage lasts awhile. All that said, I've found her to be worth it. Her blooms are the prettiest soft pink and she shakes off more wetness than many other teas. She blooms often. Did I already say that? Great tea fragrance! Another tea I have is a young Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux. He's been a surprisingly good boy--very healthy. He's been in my garden a couple of years or so (bought as a band from Vintage) and he's a stronger, speedier grower than Duchesse but slower than Portlands, damasks, albas, gallicas, hybrd musks, etc. He boasts fluffy, pink flowers that ball when weather is wet, but once again, he reblooms so well that I just snip the uglies and wait for the pretties. Teas (I call them tease) are not at their best here, but a select few seem to be doable (with patience) and are quite lovely. The two I grow sailed through the arctic surprises of last winter. Carol |
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- Posted by melodyinz8a (My Page) on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 16:36
| Thank you, Carol. I did buy the white sport of Duchesse de Brabant this spring, but I'm doubtful I received the right plant. However the owner of the nursery said that the first blooms are un-like the real blooms so I'll be waiting to see what I have. I've admired Mons. Tillier for a long time, but I do think I should focus on what is friendly here. I'd like to try more rugosas. I'm thinking of heading to Heirloom this spring to walk through their display gardens. I also learned that Bush park, right here in Salem has a nice collection of antiques. They are well cared for, though not all labeled. There are quite a few historic Oregon Trail roses there, donated by a collector. So I'm eager for the spring flush to get here! |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 29, 14 at 21:09
| Melody, the Heirloom gardens are helpful places to check out roses. Also, have you surfed Rogue Valley Roses' site? That nursery is in OR, too, and you can order lots of goodies from the website. If you have questions, the nursery DOES reply to emails, or at least someone from RVR has always replied to me. I even got a call from the owner once! Keep us posted on your choices. Someday, after I've finished rearranging everything and my roses are actually blooming, I'll post some pics of what I've grown successfully in PDX. Carol |
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| If you're looking for real fragrance, a rose that has survived long in your part of the country is "Autumn Damask" (R. damascena bifera). It blooms heavily in spring, rests during summer heat, and repeats in Fall. Jeri |
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- Posted by melodyinz8a (My Page) on Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 19:58
| Jeri, what a gorgeous rose! I would grow that in a heartbeat. It seems like it has quite a history as well. I did a quick search at the usual nurseries and it's not in stock. I'll have to keep checking. Melody |
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