That looks beautiful Jackie. Very helpful.

Diane

Both should work OK. Renae usually flowers much of the year, even winter, as long as the weather is mild and wet enough, if that helps. Kim

Diane, I grew Veilchenblau at my last residence in a pretty darn shady spot. She performed admirably! She never received direct sunlight, she had to stretch to the top of a deck to escape the shadowy underworld of a north-facing location, and she was planted in (smashed into) a poorly amended, narrow space between the concrete foundation of the deck and a pathway. Tough, tolerant, gorgeous, thornless (or nearly?) rose with a light, sweet fragrance. Close to zero disease. Easily maintained with pruning after bloom. Highly recommend her! Carol

I agree that either one should do well in part shade. I have both, and even in my cold zone they seem to thrive under limbed up trees. In your more intense sun zone, even dappled light should be sufficient for these two.

Cynthia

Many thanks everyone. Both of them sound like winners and I'll try them in different locations. Thornless is a plus.

Diane