The second is larger growing, more of a climber than the first.

I think Ghislane de Feligonde would end up wider than Felicia. There are photos of people growing Felicia like a glorified Floribunda in areas with a true winter. That could also be via pruning, but the smaller shrubs of Felicia looked excellent. I've only seen Ghislane de Feligonde a few times in person, but it was large.

Jay

Hi, Kate. Ghislane--picture her as a rambler. She can be trained up and over things so that her width, technically, is not as wide as Felicia's arching growth. But she is a bigger girl and also loves to sprawl about as other ramblers do. She can cover a chunk of fence, width-wise. Felicia has been fine for me as a climber (with training) or a medium large shrub (with heavier pruning) or she can form a large arching shrub with just tidy-up pruning. Do you plan to locate them near a fence? On an arch? Open bed? Ghislane will need support of some kind unless you want her to spill about or cascade over a wall. Does this help? Carol

I grow both of these. Felicia is definitely more narrow and stiff and upright than Ghislaine de Feligonde. I grow Felicia in a spot where she can lean against the fence, but she hasn't availed herself of the opportunity. Ghislaine is also on a fence, the first rose on my Rambler Fence. For me, Ghislaine has been the most mannerly of ramblers, forming a large arching, trailing, mostly self-supporting plant. It is attached to the fence in one place, because it is top-heavy and was knocked down by a storm two years ago. No problem with that since then.

Be sure to put Felicia somewhere accessible so you can smell her flowers ... heavenly!

Connie

This has been very helpful information. Thank you, everybody.

A fence is available in the wider spot, so I guess that is the spot for Ghislaine. I don't mind if she wants to do some self-supporting stuff, but the fence is there is she needs some support. Putting her there was my original plan, but I started second-guessing myself as I waited through the winter months. Get in trouble every time I do that--think I'd learn! LOL

Felicia was intended to be a self-supporting rose--I have Buff Beauty back there as a self-supporter also, plus a couple non-rose shrubs. They are kind of a backdrop to the rest of the garden.

I'm feeling reassured now. However, I will have one hole out there -- Hortico just informed me that Boule de Neige is not available--as it was not available at the few places who listed it last fall. And I really want that one. Seems to be easily available to the English--why not to us here in the USA? Don't know what I will do about that--I'm sitting here sulking over it!

Thanks again, folks. So helpful!

Kate