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| Well all the first winter band size Ogrs I planted all green to the tip. All the modern roses except for 2 DA roses dead to the ground. The 2 DA roses were jude the obscure and golden celebration. This was my first winter with roses. I have learned I will be sticking with Albas, damasks, gallicas, centifolia and maybe moss haven't tried them yet. |
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| Yes. We had a very tough winter here, despite our zone 6 (or some say 6b). I lost all my yearling HTs and a few 2 yr olds. Some of my Chinas were hit pretty hard also, but most will come back. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 0:14
| Join the club, bman. Maybe it's rather an exclusive club, that of the lovers of the once-blooming old roses. Even though I live in a mild climate and can grow Teas and Chinas (which I love), I think the Gallicas, Albas, and all the other once-flowerers are WONDERFUL. I look forward to them every year. I hope they will prove disease-resistant in your climate, and that you will have many happy years with them. Congratulations on their getting through the winter unharmed. I hope you grow companion plants with them as well as other shrubs. It's so pleasant to see the snowdrops and hyacinths blooming at the roses' feet. Melissa |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 4:32
| Bman, welcome to the OGR Fan Club! When I lived in Minnesota, I learned to love tough antique beauties such as albas, gallicas and damasks. Have you tried La Ville de Bruxelles? Madame Hardy? Tuscany Superb? I'm glad your new albas are serving you well. It's such a relief to know that one's plants will be fine whatever Mother Nature unleashes. No fuss. Great roses. How cool is that? Everything should be that easy. Carol |
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| Carol, I have La Ville de Bruxelles coming soon and tuscany superb. Madame hardy was one of the band roses that was green to the tip. And I'm a proud new member of the OGR Fan Club. |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 9:11
| Good for you bman. Zone 5 seems like such a challenge. Thank goodness for those wonderful old roses. |
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- Posted by jumbojimmy (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 10:18
| At first, I was excited about OGRs. Then I realised the ones I have only bloom once and the flowers are usually destroyed by thrips every spring time. In summer time, I get problems with spider mites or sun burnt. Thankfully, I have DAs and Firefighter to keep me happy when my OGRs not blooming. |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 15:34
| You have great taste, Bman! Carol |
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| I just planted leda today and Sdlm . I hope sdlm can survive a protected zone 5 own root. I know leda can but it kinda fell apart taking it out of the band pot today. Only time will tell. The sdlm was very well rooted. The leda has me worried. |
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- Posted by ratdogheads 5b NH (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 20:21
| I've had some experience with old roses in the past, however this was the first year for OGRs in my New Hampshire garden. Here's how they made it through their first (pretty darn cold) winter. I didn't provide any winter protection. Plants with vigorous 1st year growth and very minimal winter damage: Madame Pierre Oger All of the above were good sized plants, except The Bishop, which was a band. He grew to chest high and laughed at the winter. The rest below were planted as bands. I planted my bands directly into the garden, without potting up. Summers are short in New Hampshire, and I decided these must sink or swim in their first year. These had all grown to at least 2' and had some damage, esp. to late fall growth. None of these lost more than 1/3 of the plant. Kronprinzessin Viktoria von Preussen Bands that were slow growers, but virtually no winter damage Bands that were slow growers that have more than 1/3 damage but seem to have survived: |
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| Off-topic, but I wonder why someone would graft 'Veilchenblau', being as it was once a rootstock itself. It's kinda like selling 'Dr. Huey' on multiflora. I can't imagine the result would be "more vigorous" than if it was own-root. :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by ratdogheads 5b NH (My Page) on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 21:23
| Not sure, I actually got it from Palatine as a substitution for something else and never thought about it before now. They graft all their roses don't they? But you're right it does seem odd, multiflora grafted on multiflora. Now I'm curious to hear an explanation. It grew like crazy, but not more so than my other ramblers. |
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| I suppose that if they sell roses grafted onto multiflora, perhaps that's the only way they're set-up to propagate -- maybe they're not set-up for rooting cuttings commercially. So, basically, any rose they sell will be propagated the same way. But I don't think there'd be any benefit as far as vigor with regards to 'Veilchenblau' being on multiflora rootstock. It's another story if you're trying to grow it where multiflora doesn't do well, such as by using 'Dr. Huey' for alkaline soil, or where root-knot nematodes require roses be on 'Fortuniana'. :-) ~Christopher |
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| I think modern is sort of misleading term. Not all things modern are created equal :-) There are many modern rose, which are hardy, floriferous and disease resistant: Explorer series, Hybrid Spinosissimas, Buck roses to name a few. While they don't have the charm and mythical beauty of OGRs, they are still mighty roses IMHO. I also have some not so modern anymore, hybrid tea and hybrid musk roses, which shouldn't survive in my garden. But the combination of adequate snow cover and planting the bud union several inches below soil level helps them to shrug off the brutal cold winters, with no extra protection.... Personally, I would love to have a garden full of OGRs, but I won't demean any of these loyal "modern" roses, which faithfully cometh year after year, simply because they are modern. After all they have a history, a history with me, in my little corner of paradise…. |
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| That's wonderful about the OGRs but just because the modern ones have to be pruned to the ground does not mean they are dead. In zone 5 it's way too early for those roses to have started growing. The soil is still too cold. I'm in zone 6 and I have not seen any growth yet on any of my roses. Give them some time and I'll bet that a lot of them will come back to life as well. |
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