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| So, what's the latest concensus between experts regarding this rose (or roses)? I'm not really interested in the proper naming, what I really want to know is if Monsieur Tillier as sold in the US is really the same rose as Archduke Joseph as sold in Europe (e.g. by Beales'). HMF still lists two different roses. Nik |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 0:16
| I am very curious to see what people say. I just bought a band of Archduke Joseph because it is listed smaller than Monsieur Tillier. |
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- Posted by nikthegreek 9b/10a E of Athens (My Page) on Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 1:52
| Yes, I forgot about that one. An Arch. Joseph is also in commerce in the States. Is this the same as AJ in Europe and different than Mons. Tillier? Are these 3 distinct roses? Is the european AJ the same as the US MT and different than the US AJ? Nik |
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 2:56
| I am not sure if the two are the same. Here is my Archduc Joseph from Peter Beales. Daisy
I have just tried to take a better photo this morning, but it didn't work as the sun is coming up behind it. It makes the photos weird.
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- Posted by avalon2007 Z10SFL (My Page) on Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 11:14
| The photos that Daisy posted of AJ don't look like my Monsieur Tillier, which was purchased from VG several years ago. The color of the flower and the color of the new growth don't match MT. Sometimes it's hard to gauge the real color from a photo, of course. My MT is the only flower in my garden with that unique salmon-copper pink hue. Also,the form of the flower doesn't seem to match MT nor does the growth habit. MT has very stiff, short, formally arranged petals. My MT is very upright, never or almost never has any hanging or downward drooping growth. Of course, all of these differences could be attributable to different climate and growing conditions. Really lovely garden, by the way! Such a wonderful place for a walk. |
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- Posted by avalon2007 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 11:23
| Here is a link to VG picture of M. Tillier, which shows the form very well. Lowery's description of the strange color is spot on. |
Here is a link that might be useful: VG M. Tillier
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