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| Excuse this non-rose topic. I have a question over in the peony forum about P. mollis which after two days has received no response. Perhaps I'm impatient, but I was wondering if anyone here (the best gardeners on the Web) is familiar with this peony? I have a peony which is supposed to be mollis, but I'm doubtful. I'd appreciate anyone who knows it taking a look at my post. Thanks, Melissa |
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| I have not grown P.mollis.....but I know for sure that it does produce seed and is usually easy to germinate (I ordered some, along with P.emodi and P.rockii and didn't get around to sowing it (the story of my gardening life). Paeonies in general can be tricky to identify, not least because they are somewhat polymorphic within specific species. As mollis is closely related to P.officionalis, it seems highly likely that cross fertilisation has occurred..... The P.mollis I have seen has shown quite remarkable variation in the amount of hairiness - some almost smooth while others are very tormentose indeed. Do you have P.cambedessii? A true mediterranean and very high on my crave list. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sun, Apr 13, 14 at 2:22
| Suzy, thanks for your answer, it's helpful. I may get quite a few seedlings from my "mollis no. 1": there are two close to it that I believe are offspring, and I have some young plants in pots, from seed much of which I recall coming from this plant as well, though I didn't label the provenance of the individual seeds. It will be interesting to see how the seedlings turn out: my parent plant is as pretty a peony as I could ask for. I said that that glaucous foliage was only found on my "mollis no. 1" among my herbaceous peonies, but that was false (I think). I have P. officinalis scattered about the place, all derived from original plant, and it too has, I believe, glaucous wine-tinted foliage, though my double cultivars of P. officinalis have the bright green foliage tinged with bronze that I described in my post on the peony forum, as does "mollis no. 2". Alas I don't have P. cambessii. I tend to go for the cheaper and more readily available plants, which still affords me a vast selection. Can I get seed? Is it worth trying by a gardener who's not skilled at growing from seed? The Mediterranean peonies I have do so well that it seems worth pursuing them. Thanks again for your answer. Melissa |
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| To be fair, paeonies are a bit opaque to me - I have never really got off on paeony adoration (although I do love them) and have no special cultivars, just unnamed species and officionalis types. Have had no time for expensive Itoh grafts and, like single roses, I have usually preferred the single paeonies too. Never bothered with the famous Molly the Witch (mlokosewitchii) after reading that it bloomed for 4 days and looked good for half of that. Now that I have more space though, paeonies are one of those robust, long-lived plants which I will plant around the clearing with the spring bulbs. Perhaps we should do a twin seed sowing and compare notes - I can arrange seed and we could do some swapsies if you fancy? Funnily enough, these seeds which take a few years to get going are often the easiest to grow - (I had a monocot fad a few years ago which are all coming to fruition this year)......they are the ones which invariably germinate, never need potting on, grow in their own sweet time.....like the seedlings in your garden which just seem to appear. True, I would be lost without the interweb. Gardeners learn from other gardeners and isolation (in your case)and terminal shyness and grumpiness (in my case) means that without the web, I would still be back in gardening stone age, messing about with pansies and petunias. Obviously, books have been my (and probably your) salvation.....but you just don't get that back and forth, refining and defining interaction that you get online. |
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| Camp - SO TRUE that the internet is (my) saving grace.... This forum is SO helpful to me in so many ways... |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sun, Apr 13, 14 at 14:14
| I love your response, Suzy, and am definitely interested in your proposal, though doubtful about what I can offer. I won't have time to respond more completely for a couple of days: it's well into evening and we have to get up early tomorrow to go to Milan. Melissa |
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| No problemo - I will go about my usual business until seed time.....when I go into a manic overdrive - I have a horrible feeling that cheap or better, free, are the motivations behind this seasonal binge - plants (potentially) literally for free! Will try and remember this wheeze nearer the time (you don't have to offer anything 'cept having a go - easier than cuttings, I swear). Hope Milan not too arduous (cities!.....gah). |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Wed, Apr 16, 14 at 2:24
| Back again. Our jaunt was tolerably stressful, but it was our fault: we left the documentation we needed for DD's passport renewal at home and didn't realize it until we were at the train station half an hour away. So we missed our train and were worried that the consulate folks wouldn't let us in late. But they did, and the strain eased off after that. Milan was actually pleasant, downtown on a sunny spring day, the streets and squares filled with well-dressed people. I spend so much time, quite happily, by myself or with my family, that I enjoy people watching when I do get to a city. And DD is fun to be with, as thriving adolescents are. I would LOVE to try seeds from you. The seeds in a pot is totally feasible: I'd just add it to the pot ghetto with a label and then forget about it until something sprouts. The pot ghetto sits under the wisteria pergola and gets watered as needed: this wouldn't be too much water? or I could set it against a wall as you say. Do you want some seeds from "mollis 1"? It should be a good bet to give me a crop this year, and based on past performance, though of course I have no idea how the offspring will be, not being convinced of the species integrity of my parent. Your description of how peonies sprout is illuminating. I repotted my peony seedlings from two years ago and am now seeing new seedlings sprouting in the pots, and have one little peony under the persimmon that I think must have come from potting soil I threw out too soon. I'm definitely going to collect seed again this year. When I started these seeds two year ago I tried tree peony seeds as well: not a one came up. What a satisfaction it is, to see such a potent tool as the Internet used for good ends. I totally agree with you, and I would be a far lonelier and less-informed gardener without the Internet and this forum. When I began gardening, in the pre-Internet era, I did have a resource such as few neophytes can call on: my older sister, a lifelong gardener and horticulturalist. She egged me on right from the start, supplying information, plants, encouragement, interest, everything a beginner needs. Thanks for the offer! I hope we can do it! Melissa |
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| ' She egged me on right from the start, supplying information, plants, encouragement, interest, everything a beginner needs.' I'll bet she did! That is kind of what you are missing (although adolescents do actually emerge from their self-absorption eventually - all 3 of mine are now proud gardeners) It was almost pre-ordained that eldest, most geekily Asperger's affected son would take to it.....and daughter did that squatting in London, making mini-gardens everywhere (supplied by me) thing. Youngest son was a bit more resistant.....but a few carnivorous nepenthes and sundews.......and the hook was in. Patience - osmosis works exceedingly well in this situation.......and truly, when the emotional storms of parent/child relationships blow over, there is nothing so soothing than having long plant chats. So yep, seeds. Having a seed confederate is thrilling (eldest son is a division and cuttings fiend and daughter hasn't got round to it yet.....and probably won't as she is super busy). We won't tie ourselves into promises and appointments.....but when summer is ending, I will be thinking of you when I am romping around with a basket of little envelopes. Strobilanthes atropurpurea, a plant new to me, seen on a rare birthday visit to our botanics, is finally germinating, along with a few others completely new to me this year (it is so easy to take risks with seeds) - a couple of flaxes - Linum arboreum and L.rigida are poking up, along with a slew of aconitums and some frankly bizarre delph types (D.requienii)......while I am hoping for blooms on the tritonias, species glads, allium narcissiflora, dierama, and ....freesia (unbelievably and almost forgotten)......although many of the tree seeds are still proving reluctant (am going to blame our snowless and non-freezy winter and hang on for another year). No sign of astrantia maxima, illiamna, or glaucidium......so I have done what I always do when faced with problematic germinators - ignored the pots, shoved them to the back shelves and sown another tranche of dead easy foxgloves and wallflowers, as well as leeks and broccoli. Doing a bit of direct sowing (emptying out old annuals) and planting potatoes all this week (actual hard work!). We only ever eat chips from our potatoes......so, like the first asparagus, the first sweetcorn - the first frying is an orgy of gluttonous eating, with heaps of salt and vinegar. Folk laugh at the culinary prowess of the English.....but we defer to no-one when it comes down to fish 'n chips. |
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