I will (one at a time--apologies) attach photos of bud, full flower, faded flower, foliage and cane. The plant's growth has been a fairly speedy and strong. It's about 5 years old in my garden. I pruned lightly last fall and not at all this spring. Its canes shot up to 8 feet tall. I pegged the canes and blooms broke all along the canes. Its form and stature are hybrid perpetual-like. Its foliage has been healthy. The canes have small prickles and the rose has not multiplied by throwing stolons (thus far). It has been a once bloomer to date but who knows what this year may bring? The blooms are VERY, VERY fragrant! The blooms are about 3.5" in diameter.

Looking forward to either confirmations of my hope/suspicion or an aha! ID moment.

Carol

The bud stage doesn't look like either, but the full bloom does look like BP.

Diane

If you bought this from Errloom/Heirloom, then you likely have 'Jacques Cartier'.

:-)

~Christopher

My rose is planted in good soil in full sun from noon thru evening. Bright shade in the morning. Past JCs/MBs have been great performers in my gardens but this one has been a single flush wonder. That fact does make me wonder if my rose might be one of many HPs beyond my scope of experience.

Paul and Diane, yes, this rose came from Heirloom, and the lack of remontant blooms has been a total stumper for me! The habit has been a bit off for JC/MB, too, but not off enough to rule out my original (and your suggested) ID. The blooms, scent and foliage have seemed spot on. It has been as disease free as past JCs/MBs. The canes seem to be a bit smoother than my last JC/MB. Unfortunately, I jumped to the conclusion that my imposter is unquestionably JC/MB, so I dug up and gifted my last one to a friend. Thus, I have prevented myself from making a side by side comparison. I will be watching for another flush and wondering if my individual is just a late bloomer.

Paul, I revisited your website article on the history/naming of JC/MB. I have also been pondering speculation that there are two distinct roses floating around and variously labeled either JC or MB. Some JCs/MBs do seem to remain lower and more compact, even allowing for climate differences. Some seem to be much healthier and more floriferous, even allowing for climate differences. My roses have always been VERY fragrant, which you also noted on your JC/MB website page. Other gardeners and vendors detect modest fragrance. Of course, intensity of fragrance is subjective....

Lori Elf, you note that the blooms of your JC/MB are deeply nestled into shoulders of leaves. I believe that my past specimens have matched my current whatever-it-is. It makes me curious whether all the JCs/MBs being sold in the US are exactly the same variety. Does your JC/MB have shoulders which are similar to Rose de Rescht? That rose has always been deeply nestled for me. Do you have photos of your rose's blooms and more bristly canes that you could share?

Once again, thank you all for replies. Continuing responses and additional responses are greatly appreciated. I am both attempting to positively ID my imposter and feeding my ongoing curiosity about the whole JC/MB identification spaghetti bowl.

Carol

Paul

Here is a picture, but I don't have one that shows how bristly the canes are lower down, but you can see right near the buds it's bristly and most are deeply nested but some clusters less so than others.

More later perhaps..... Carol