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| One of my Rogue Valley mystery roses has bloomed, and as usual it looks like three out of the four are the same rose (the last clearly looks like a mini, with teensy leaves and canes). Only this one has bloomed, but it strikes me as having an old rose flavor to it, so I posted the ID question here. Let me know if it's really a modern, and I'll move it to the other forum.
I ran this through the Rogue Valley search for dark pink roses, and there seemed to be a lot of options among lightly double dark pink roses that show stamens. I've posted pictures below that the stamens aged in a day from golden to brown, and the rose opened more to show them. Some of the other decision factors are the lack of apparent clustering (that rules out things like Ellen Poulsen, Bad Worishofen, and probably Sir Clough), and the lack of thorns so far on the canes, which rules out about everything else. HMF says Fellemberg is mostly thornless, though my Quest-Ritson book says it's quite thorny (go figure). If that's not it, other candidates might be Cerise Bouquet, Neon Lights (but I don't see the ruffling of petals), Etude (but it has more petals I think), or even General Tartas or Alexandre Girault. Both of the latter would be daunting to site in a zone 5 yard, but I like challenges. What do you think? Here are two more photos of the flower plus some of the cane and leaves, and a day old bloom with the darker stamens.
Thanks for the help! Cynthia |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 8:14
| Cynthia, Is your rose darker to the eye than these photos? I'm growing Fellemberg, Cerise Bouquet, and Alexander Girault, They are all much deeper in color. The bloom form doesn't really look like them either. |
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| My 'Etude' came through the cold winter quite well and is rapidly putting out new growth. The primary canes are straight, stout and well armed. I have not seen blooms yet, but I have the impression that it might have more petals than your rose. |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Wed, May 21, 14 at 14:08
| Thanks for chiming in and helping out with this! Mendocino Rose - I think the color in this picture captures what it looks like to my eye, but it's a first bloom and those can be notoriously variable from the eventual bloom of the plant. The bloom form is probably a better characteristic to judge, and if that doesn't match the ones you grow it's helpful to rule them out. Too bad Fellemberg and Alexander Girault don't look like a good match - I was looking forward to a monster pink OGR to put head-to-head against Madame Alfred Carriere (though what I'd do with three of them is another question). Nastarana - thanks for the feedback about Etude. Somehow the petals didn't look right, and the thornless canes have been a puzzle. One of the other mystery roses that I think is the same variety has mostly thornless canes with two normal-sized thorns at random locations but it doesn't look like the canes will grow into their thorns over time. It's just the variability of "mostly thornless" I suspect. I appreciate the help and any other suggestions folks may have! Cynthia |
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| I'm not sure which it is, Cynthia, but it does feel quite modern to me from those images. The color, anthers and form are modern. Kim |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Mon, May 26, 14 at 1:25
| Thanks for the feedback that this looked modern, Kim. That helped narrow down the search by more than half, since it seems most of the thornless varieties are antiques. Between a partnered search in HMF and Rogue Valley websites, I'm going with Pinkie climbing as my best estimate of this rose. Since I have three of them so far, I have places to put them. In fact, my neighbors just today remarked how they liked how a dark pink climber looked growing into my Black Lace elderberry bush and how they wanted the same effect into theirs that they planted in their yard. They're getting one of the free plants to try out, and being thornless it's a relatively trouble free way for them to be enabled into more roses. I appreciate all of your help! Rose ID is always a bit of a puzzle for me. Cynthia |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Mon, May 26, 14 at 8:38
| I think I found it. Look up Andenken An J Diering. Here's the Hmf link . I kept thinking that it looked familiar from something I've seen on the Rogue Valley site. It's a climbing HT. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.33896.1 Let me know what you think. |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Mon, May 26, 14 at 15:57
| Cool - I love the look of Andenken an J Diering, and my images do look just like the Rogue Valley website photo. The only question mark still is the thornless canes - hmf doesn't say anything about thorniness on AJD, but these are definitely smooth. Regardless, it looks like I've done right to plant these as climbers, and it might be hardier than I'd thought. I appreciate your help! Cynthia |
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| Cynthia, I'm virtually positive it's not Cl. Pinkie, a rose I used to grow. Ingrid |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Mon, May 26, 14 at 17:05
| Whatever it is I hope it does well. |
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| I agree, it's not Cl. Pinkie, the petals and texture are wrong. Andenken an J Diering is a likely possibility. That flower is much more "HT" or "floribunda" than anything multiflora based such as poly or hybrid musk. Kim |
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- Posted by jeannie2009 PNW 7/8 (My Page) on Wed, May 28, 14 at 6:20
| Could this be the Bourbon Maggie? I grow both Maggie and Fellemberg. Maggie's color in my garden is a bit warmer, perhaps just brushed with a little coral tone. Whereas Fellemburg has the more blue tone. Both are mostly thornless. Be aware that I am the worst for identifying old roses. Actually the worst for identifying any unknown rose...such is life. Hope you can identify it. I also have a few mystery roses. They are quite fun. |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 17:47
| That's great to hear - I'm glad I asked this on the antique forum after all! I appreciate your work in hunting down Andenken an J. Diering, mendocino, and with Kim's input that the modern stamens and such would be a good fit, I'm going with that now for sure! It's way more fun to have this rose anyway rather than climbing Pinkie (thanks for ruling that one out, Ingrid), since it's more unusual and hardier to boot. I'm pretty sure it's not Maggie, Jeannie, though I'm quite poor at rose ID myself in old or new roses. The real difference for me is the fragrance. This mystery rose has no detectable fragrance at all, and my Maggie is toe-curling wonderful old rose fragrance, even in high heat. Also once mature in my yard, Maggie has more petals than this one did at first time around. Thanks for the input on both roses, though! Gotta love these forums and the people on them! I keep learning new things and I appreciate the help Cynthia |
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