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| I actually got out with my camera to take pictures of my nameless young Tea rose to see if someone might be able to identify it. I have to post each one separately, of course. The plant is in its fifth year, if I remember correctly, and I got it as a cutting from a lady in Genoa who didn't know its name. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 5:03
| You all will excuse the quality of the photos. This bloom is about 3 1/2" across. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 5:08
| And you'll be patient with my baby's mildew. It has been an extremely wet spring. Right now instead of rain the wind is howling. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 5:12
| Young cane, thorns, leaves. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 5:16
| And again. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 5:25
| And a shot of the whole plant, and I'm done. Any ideas as to the identity of my rose? |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 5:32
| This photography is powerful stuff. Inspiring. Here is a last shot, this time of 'Mme. Antoine Mari' just outside the front door. Always a beauty, and as generous as she is elegant. Melissa |
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| Could it be Duchess de Brabant? |
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| At last! Well done, Melissa (who has been the most reticent camera user on GW) We look forward to more. Sorry, no idea about the tea - but, as it happens, my wood is a cycle ride from Beale's nursery.....and the largest collection of teas in East Anglia, possibly even the UK - looking forward to a visit v.soon - ironically just as I am moving away from rose gardening to a more thuggish woodland style....but there is a pretty good selection of species too. |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 9:20
| I think it might be Duchess de Brabant. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 9:50
| blooms - not like this one at all. I guess it could just be the climate, however. Here's a pic of a typical bloom on mine. Jackie |
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| I agree, Jackie; Duchesse de Brabant's blooms are more "orderly" than those of this rose. The style of this rose is more along the lines of 'Lady Roberts' (who is not this color). Which pink tea roses are like 'Lady Roberts'? |
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| You know, Melissa, I wonder if this could be 'Mme. Lombard.' She may well be the most-commonly-found Tea Rose in California. She's very chamelion-like, in the changeability of her bloom form and color, but she is generally quite informally-shaped. I just took some photos for your consideration. Comin' up. Jeri |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 15:51
| Melissa - if you can look up Susan Louise on HMF, let us know what you think. Your young tea reminded me immediately of Belle Portugaise, but of course that one doesn't re-bloom. Susan Louise is a tea which is supposed to be a seedling of Belle Portugaise. It does re-bloom, and only gets about 7-8 feet high. The blooms on mine look a lot like your tea. Jackie |
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| Melissa -- MY Mme. Lombard is rarely really light pink, but I've seen photos of it taken in the PNW, where it WAS colored like your Tea. But the bloom, particularly an immature one, is a weak identifier. Instead, here is a collection of some of the parts of the plant that you can use to compare to what you have. In particular, look carefully at the large image of the new growth, with its many glandular structures. You can see here a leaf, with leaflets (this is fairly mature growth. 5 leaflets may be more common) and prickles, and stipules, etc. I could not find a really good photo of a bud, but at least you can get the general shape of it. Have fun! Jeri |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Tue, May 21, 13 at 16:41
| Melissa I am, of course, talking through my nose since I only have 2 tea roses--Duchesse de Brabant and Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux, but I have clocked in countless hours visiting teas in gardens and nurseries and lusting over them in books and catalogs. I'll go ahead and put in my nose talkin' two cents for whatever it's worth. I can see why Duchesse was suggested (shape of bud, color, petal count), but your opening flowers don't seem to be as globular as Duchesse's. Like Jeri, I am wondering if Madame Lombard might fit. Madame's flowers look quite a bit like your unfurling flower which is attempting to defy the weather. I've seen light pink and medium pink flowers on bushes. I've seen specimens with more petals and those with fewer petals, although maybe some that I have encountered were mislabeled due to Rose Imposter Syndrome. Other ideas: Bon Silene or Rhodologue Jules G. I've seen Bon Silene remain a paler shade like your rose when subjected to cool cloudy weather. She has a lower petal count...maybe too low for your rose. I'll post a pic of my Rhodologue just for the heck of it. I see some similarities between my rose and yours. Of course, I see some similarities between all pink teas. Glad it's not my job to ID these things for the record keepers! My Rhodologue came from Vintage Gardens. Your Madame Antoine Mari is lovely! --Carol |
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| Melissa, what a lovely pic featuring your Mme. Antoine Mari! Very beautiful. Lou |
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| My Madame Lambard has a more formal tight bloom that quills. You can have light/darker pink on the same bloom. I will try to post some pics when I get home. |
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| With Mme. Lombard, the blooms vary so wildly, they're almost useless for identification. Sad but true. Jeri |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Thu, May 23, 13 at 1:09
| Thanks for the suggestions, folks, and for the photos, Jeri especially for the group of pics. I have 'Mme. Lombard' down in the sunny garden, and though she nearly drowned last winter she didn't quite, and I was able to find a bud and compare. I'm inclined, from my in-the-flesh comparison and what I read and hear--I also looked at the pictures and description in the Australian Tea book--to think that my rose is not ML, though I'm by no means dead sure. The receptacle is not the same shape: on my rose it's shorter and wider than on ML and doesn't constrict at the top. My rose, in the three years I've seen it flower, has always been light to medium pink, sometimes deepening toward the center (to medium pink) but never red, and without the coppery or peachy tints that ML shows. My rose has pale buds, not red. Comparing the pedicels of the two roses, ML's are smooth, green, and flattened; my rose's are red, "hairy", and not flattened. The shapes of the thorns on my rose are variable, some like what I see on ML, but others are almost worthy of the Wingthorn Rose: you see one of these in my photos of yesterday. Does 'Mme. Lambard' have thorns like this? How large are the leaflets on ML? My rose has quite large foliage: I measured 3 1/2"-4" on some terminal leaflets. I had difficulty comparing young foliage as my rose has so much mildew right now. I don't detect any fragrance, but don't know if weather conditions has anything to do with that. For what it's worth, having both varieties in the garden, it has never occurred to me that my rose could be ML. However, it can take me years to notice a resemblance. It's not 'Bon Silene', which is always a richer pink in my garden and which has occasional white markings which my rose lacks. Also the forms don't seem particularly similar. 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux' and 'Duchesse de Brabant' look too globular. 'Susan Louise' doesn't look like it has enough petals. I've posted another shot I took yesterday. Further guesses and thoughts will be appreciated. Melissa |
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| Well, that's why those detail photos are useful -- as much for elimination as for identification. I think your prickles are a tad more falcate than those I see on my Mme. Lombard. :-) Jeri |
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| Your rose resembles Paul Nabonnand, though I can't tell whether your rose has a high petal count (which Paul does). Nate |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9 az (My Page) on Sat, Jan 4, 14 at 9:04
| At first I was thinking Maman Cochet but on a second look, probably not. The buds look like her though. Love love love your Mme Antoine Mari. Your picture of her exemplifies why I love teas so much. Could there be a more beautiful, graceful rose, ever??? There is just nothing like them. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sat, Jan 4, 14 at 12:03
| Nice to see this thread back again; thanks, Nate! All that green and bloom visible in my photos certainly are pleasant, especially with the rain-sodden gray I've been looking at through the window lately, that is, when it's not black night. I'll keep 'Paul Nabonnand' in mind. I'm looking forward to this rose maturing and, I hope, blooming more freely on a sturdier plant. It's still rather gangly and has a provisional air. Jaspermplants, I totally agree about the beauty and elegance of Tea roses. I raised that plant from a cutting and she's my pride and joy. The Teas are thrifty roses, too. Melissa |
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