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| Hello, everyone,
I'm fairly new to roses and have gotten great advice from reading this forum. I started with hybrid teas but got rid of them all once I discovered this forum. I have a number of 1 to 1 1/2 year chinas which I love. I don't spray and they have all been doing wonderfully well. I also love their form and the small roses they produce in profusion. I currently have Hermosa, Ducher, Mutabilis, Carnation, White Pearl in Red Dragon's Mouth (my favorite), and Serratipetala. I want to add more to my garden (probably replacing the Austins I have tried whose performance has been less than stellar). Do you have any recommendations of chinas which have a similar form as that of Ducher and Hermosa? Are there any chinas that are fragrant (I don't care so much about fragrance because I have other roses which satisfy me with their smell)? I am in Mississippi if that makes a difference. Here's a couple of pictures of my chinas:
Thanks for your help,
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| Try Sophie's Perpetual. It's beautiful and very scented. You will love it. Denise |
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| Ye, Arethusa, La Vesuve and are very healthy and happy chinas. Arethusa is VERY fragrant. Olga |
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| Jean Bach Sisley is a lovely petal-packed pink with blooms a bit larger than most chinas (its sometimes classified as a tea). Napoleon is a new baby for me, vigorous and blooming his heart out. Louis Phillippe and Cramoisi Superior are deeper toned, want to be large plants, very healthy. Sorry I can't comment about fragrance, I don't smell most roses. |
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| I have a small band of 'Spice' growing on my porch this year. To my nose, it is VERY fragrant, like grapefruit and rose with a dash of spices thrown in. |
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| You probably want to get 'Old Blush,' which is sort of the Grande Dame of the class. Don't forget Mutabilis (give it a LOT of room). I second Louis Phillipe and Cramoisi Superieur, and I'd suggest Sanguinea (Miss Lowe's Variety) and also the Bermuda rose, "Emmie Gray," which I am really liking a lot. If you like Hermosa, you might look at 'Champion Of The World,' tho it has a lot of HP breeding. It does very well here, and is a pretty plant, tho I grow two plants smooshed together. Last, but far from Least, don't fail to get 'Archduke Charles.' Jeri |
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| It would help if we know what state you are in. Jeri's advice will be good for West coast, but I doubt it will work that well if you are, for example, in North Carolina. Champion Of The World is quite prone to BS at the east coast. Olga |
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- Posted by contrary_grow 7b (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 08 at 13:25
| Thank you so much for your recommendations. I highly value the advice given on this forum. If any of you have pictures you'd like to share, I'd be very appreciative. Some of the chinas on HMF are sadly lacking pictures. I've been looking at the chinas available through Vintage and am interested in learning more about Bengale Centefeuilles, Bengale d'Automne, and Mme. Laurette Messimy, if any of you have experience with those. Olga, I'm in Mississippi. Thank you, again,
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- Posted by buffington22 z8LA (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 08 at 13:25
| Chinas are great here in NE La. I also am loving the teas I purchased from Countryside last fall. Growing the best is Mme. Henriette de Snoy. She is growing like the proverbial weed all of a sudden. Safrano has had many heartbreakingly beautiful buds(the loveliest stage so far). Buff |
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| Well, you know how it is, Olga. Location Location Location. Jean Bach Sisley won't open here at all, and mildews. Every rose is probably bad SOMEWHERE. Jeri |
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| Mary, You also need to be looking in your local cemeteries and in older parts of town/city/abandoned towns and cities. Chinas were at home in the south and there are still a lot left out there to be rediscovered. Some of the reds and deep pinks are still missing. And it's a pleasant way to spend time. Ann |
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| I, too, fell in love with the Chinas and have a few. You have some really good ones and some of my favorites. Mme. Laurette Messimy is a great China here. However, the one that Vintage sells is evidently not the same as the one I got from Chamblee's. Hermosa has a climbing version, Setina, that has done very well here. Archduke Charles has to be one of my favorites and smells to me like cherry candy. Louis Philippe has been a tad winter tender this far north but smells great. Napoleon is another strong performer for me. Slater's Crimson China and Old Blush are "must haves". Rouletii is a small grower that has not been out of bloom since early spring. So many good Chinas out there for the south. |
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| Jeri, I didn't want to offend you :) I was trying to convey the same message that we need to know location of the poster. Every rose is healthy somewhere and disease prone in other location. Chinas are not an exception to this rule. Olga |
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| Sorry Olga. I think I'm a tad gunshy here. I had noted in the first post that the OP was in Mississippi. Jeri |
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- Posted by contrary_grow 7b (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 08 at 20:26
| Thank you. I'm making a list of all your suggestions. It means a lot to a newcomer when some of the grande dames of the rose world respond to a question that they must have answered ad nauseam. Kaye, I had just been looking at Rouletii on Chamblees website - I think I have a perfect spot for it. I forgot that I do have Louis Philippe but he's probably my least favorite. The blooms look awful - I'm pretty sure it's thrips because they have really done a number on my daylilies. Mary |
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| Lisa at Countryside, right there in Mississippi, is a great person to talk to if you haven't discovered her yet. |
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- Posted by barbarag_happy 8A SE VA (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 08 at 23:00
| Another vote for Cramoisi Superieur, Archduke Charles, and Spice! (Uh, 3-way tie. I could not chose among those 3..) I'm also enjoying Old Gay Hill China which is only semi-double but seems to be a bloomin' fool. I seem to recall Louis Philippe being slow to mature & first year flowers were unimpressive but this year... OBOY! It's like a whole different plant. |
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- Posted by gnabonnand 8a Metro Dallas, TX (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 08 at 23:56
| Mary, I think you and I both need to buy ourselves 'Archduke Charles'. Deal? Randy |
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- Posted by berndoodle (My Page) on Wed, May 28, 08 at 0:26
| I am impressed by the vigor and fast repeat of Napoleon sold by Chamblees. It must be in constant bloom. Can't wait to put it in the ground. It left Spice in the dust. |
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| A favorite of mine which I don't see mentioned is Comtesse du Cayla. Robert |
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- Posted by contrary_grow 7b (My Page) on Wed, May 28, 08 at 8:07
| Yes, Randy, it's a deal. Mary |
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| Mary, Archduke Charles was one of my first China's and I truly loved that rose. Other china's that do well here are Le Vesuve, Arethusa, Comtesse du Cayla, and Cramoisi S. Spice has done well here so far, but it is still a baby so I really don't know how it will fare in the long run. Hamp, who also lives in Mississippi and posts here, grows several china's and would be a good resource for what does well in your area. Also, Lisa at Countryside roses. They do get blackspot in my garden. Some worse than others. Carol |
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- Posted by nearlywild z7MS (My Page) on Wed, May 28, 08 at 11:26
| I just happen to make a picture of Cramoisi Superior this morning. Note we are near neighbors.
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 08 at 22:06
| Here's Jean Bach Sisley. I adore her! She's a great and pretty bush. (in the ground 6 months and NO problems) The yellow leaves Chinas get seem to only be from new growth pushing the old leaves off.
Purpurea aka Winecup (only in the ground 6 months) Carnation (slow to establish, but I love the flowers - even though they've mostly balled all spring.) I also have Old Blush, Cramoisi Superieur, Spice (like an armored tank, IMHO, in size, resistance to disease and density of foliage), Hermosa, LeVesuve, Serratipetala, Ducher, Mutabilis & Comtessa du Cayla (the last 3 being tiny babies.) Sherry |
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- Posted by contrary_grow 7b (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 08 at 8:49
| Thank you for the pictures, Nearlywild and Sherry. I think Jean Bach Sisley is going on my list of must haves, along with Archduke Charles and Rouletii. Mary |
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