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Fri, May 30, 14 at 9:42
| Hi guys, I bought Princess Margaret last fall from my local nursery.... or so i thought. It was cut back, with no flower left. It was not in the green square container either. Can anyone confirm that this is PM based on the pic I took this morning. Bud seem small and white or cream. |
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| The color of the bud isn't really diagnostic. I would wait a few more days until the bloom emerges. Even then, the first blooms on a plant can often be misleading in terms of size, shape, color or number of petals. Ingrid |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 17:43
| Do you mean the Austin rose Crown Princess Margareta or one of the several HTs named for Princess Margaret of England? Marianne in Sweden |
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| What Marianne asked, please. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville 7a (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 20:09
| Also, my CPM (Austin) bloomed very pale this spring. More buff with a bit of apricot in the center shading (which is good for her location). Susan |
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- Posted by caldonbeck UK (8) (My Page) on Sat, May 31, 14 at 0:58
| Well, it certainly doesn't look like it's not CPM if that makes sense. You can't tell that it definitely is but looks close enough. Don't forget that some of the whites have red buds at that stage, as do the yellows, so it means nothing. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sat, May 31, 14 at 1:36
| It looks to me like it could be CPM. In other words, from the photo I can't say for sure what it is, but nothing about the rose in the photo excludes its being 'Crown Princess Margareta'. |
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| Sorry guys, been on vacation. I meant David Austin Princess Margaret. She bloomed while I was on vacation. So here's the pic. It's much smaller than I expected. Almost the same size as my Port Sunlight. Maybe she doesn't like where she's at or could it be that she fairly new. I'd move her back in March. |
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- Posted by farmerduck (My Page) on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 15:39
| Yes, your CPM looks like mine, both the partial bush shot (minus the thorny cane in the backgroud) and the flower. Mine has few thorns and has a lax growth habit (meaning tend to grow left and right instead of straight up). |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville 7a (My Page) on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 21:04
| Hi there. Looks like mine too. Takes a while for roses to really settle in and get established. Don't punt her just yet! Here is a photo of mine this spring, planted last summer. Susan |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam (My Page) on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 22:13
| color changes through the year too and thats a good thing. Hope you like it. |
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| Thanks farmerduck, poorbutroserich, and kittymoonbeam. Did yours start off small (a size of a port sunlight) and kindda flop or limpy? I think she likes her new location since she's growing pretty fast. I'm just concern about the flower size and the fact that the flowers tend to flop face down. It looks nothing like the one in the the DA catalog. |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Wed, Jun 11, 14 at 14:09
| Sorry Joopster to be a bore, but David Austin has no rose called Princess Margaret. There is one called Crown Princess Margareta, named for a granddaughter of Queen Victoria, Margaret of Connaught, who married the Crown Prince of Sweden. She was a great gardener who wrote several gardening books in the Jekyll style that are still in print and well worth reading. She died in 1920, at only 38, leaving five children. Her garden is still preserved as she left it. Her husband donated the house and garden to the city of Helsingborg and never lived there again. I believe the owners of the rose nursery in Helsingborg that are David Austin's Swedish agents may have suggested the name of the rose. |
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| Oh so sorry, i meant Crown Princess Margareta. I been calling it wrong all these times. How embarrassing. |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 Texas (My Page) on Wed, Jun 11, 14 at 15:39
| Interesting historical information marianesse! |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville 7a (My Page) on Wed, Jun 11, 14 at 21:15
| Dang Mariannese, I didn't even notice the error. Thank you for giving us some info. Have you ever been to Helsingborg and the garden? Susan |
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- Posted by farmerduck (My Page) on Wed, Jun 11, 14 at 23:39
| Yes, Joopster, my plant (bareroot ownroot from DA in Texas, planted last April) is floppy too. I was told that this is a rose that benefits from some support and should ideally be grown as a small climber. I grow it as a free standing bush and it should be more upright as it matures. Despite the delicate look of the flowers, the young plant has been hanging tough in my garden: little blackspot and very winter hardy here in Zone 6b NJ. |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Thu, Jun 12, 14 at 6:18
| Susan, I've been to Helsingborg many times during the last 10 years for several reasons. First because it is the site of the Fredriksdal Rosarium, the second largest in Sweden and because two of the best rose nurseries in the country are located there. I visited most often after I was involved with a national rose inventory project 2005-2010. A little over 100 persons were trained to document old roses planted before 1950 anywhere in Sweden. We sometimes met at Helsingborg, to socialize and to look at the 1300 specimens we had collected that were judged to be of greater interest among our finds. They are planted for trial in uniform conditions and identification. The photo shows a part of one the trial fields and the two leaders of the project. Now that the project is finished my main reason for going is to see one of my best friends who moved to Helsingborg some years ago. The city is 6 hours away by car so I can't go very often. But anyone interested in old roses should go to Helsingborg if you are in the south of Sweden. And after a visit you may take the ferry to Denmark and visit Elsinore Castle in the sister city of Helsingör across the Sound. If you are lucky you may catch a Hamlet performance in the castle grounds and watch Hamlet's father walking his own ramparts. |
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