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| Hello all. On April the 8th I received my first bare root order and 4 out of those 19 have not shown any signs of life. How long should I wait before contacting them? I don't want to be a pain the butt if I just need to give them more time. Especially since we have had a pretty dismal spring, but these are not looking very good at all. If it makes any difference they are Rugelda, General Jack, Nevada and Roseraie de l'Hay. Thanks in advance for your advice. SCG |
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| That depends upon what the plants look like, SCG. If they've turned black, beige and definitely appear lifeless, not just "not leafed out yet", but DEAD or definitely dying, I'd say to contact them. If the plants still appear green, plump, obviously still alive and ready to break into growth once the temperatures reach and maintain their threshold for growth, I'd say wait. The plants know much better than we do when it's suitable for them to grow. Only you can tell whether they're done for or simply waiting until conditions suit them best. How were they planted and what do they look like? Kim |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Sat, May 24, 14 at 13:24
| Thanks for the speedy response Kim. Sorry I didn't provide better information. They were planted as per the companies instruction, buds removed, canes trimmed back to outside bud and roots lightly cut back. Grafts planted 4" below soil line. Nevada's canes are totally beige the others all have some canes that the lower section is still green. Is there something that can be done to help them? I also misinformed you on the names as Roseriae de l'Hay has one bud even though the canes are dismal looking... the fourth is Mme. Isaac Pereire. Thanks again. SCG |
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| That ...Doesn't sound encouraging at all. If you don't mind me asking ... What company is this? Oh ... Are roses in general leafing out where you are? IOW --- are your new roses the only laggards? |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Sat, May 24, 14 at 20:03
| Jerijen, I don't want to publicly state the name as it maybe a combination of my beginner level and the product. The company is also well respected so they need a chance to respond first. That being said the competitors product made these look sad. As well yes, these are the only out 40 new bare roots that are doing nothing and other established roses are leafing out. I guess I am trying not to be premature in calling but I am also worried because, for me, this was a major purchase. Is there anything I can do for the ones that seem to be regressing to help them? I would rather save these than ask for warranty. Thanks SCG |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Sat, May 24, 14 at 21:07
| Pics if they help
I hope I am being anxious and premature.... Thanks again SCG |
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| ICK. If I were you, I'd contact the grower. Offer to send these photos. Tell them that you are forewarning them that these plants seem to be on their way out, and ask them for their procedure regarding failed plants. I would want to bite the bullet and cut off the truly dead wood, but I would run that by the supplier, before I did it. See what they say. We once bought a rose from Hortico, which arrived with four canes . . . ALL of which had been tied up so tightly that they had snapped right off the bud union. We notified Hortico immediately. Hortico's response to our complaint was: "We would never do that." IOW, they refused to do anything about it. That was, of course, their privilege. BUT they lost a customer. Permanently. |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Sun, May 25, 14 at 19:56
| Thanks Jerijen I will do so. I hope their customer service is tight. SCG |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Mon, May 26, 14 at 1:15
| Pictures number 2 and 5 look the worst - I'd be very surprised if those roses are anything but dead by now. The others have at least one green cane, and as Jeri said I'd cut the dead canes back to live cane or the ground, whichever comes first. Pictures number 3 and 4 look like some of that green cane is trying to sprout something, but you're definitely not being premature by contacting the company. For what it's worth, I have to trim back most of the canes on most of the bareroot grafted canes I buy no matter how good the condition they arrive in. I watch them carefully for the kind of browning or blackening at the ends like your photos, then trim it back to beyond the brown at least an inch or two, and sanitize the pruners with each cut. I've posted about this before, and it's probably a case of verticilium wilt in the canes. The bareroot roses that survive are the ones that put out their own new canes - rarely are these much more than stubs of the canes they started with. Almost all of my bareroots planted in April look just like my band plants planted in May because of this, and they take equally long to come back from the planting and take off. Just letting you know it's not you - it might have a contribution from something in your climate or soil, and possibly a damaged or weak plant to start with that had the pathogen already in the cane. Hope this helps. I agree that you should contact the company about these and give them the chance to respond. Cynthia |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 14 at 16:18
| Thanks Cynthia and all, I contacted the vendor via email last night and they promptly phoned me this morning. They suggested I do exactly as Cynthia posted. I am to get back to them in three weeks and if things haven't improved they are willing to credit or refund me. Thanks for the help all. SCG |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville 7a (My Page) on Tue, May 27, 14 at 20:03
| Might give em a little fish emulsion and keep them well watered after you cut them back. Also, some mulch? Are they planted in gravel? Susan |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Wed, May 28, 14 at 11:34
| Hi Susan, Thanks for the tips. I failed to mention that the vendor also suggested feeding them. The roses are planted in what I would consider a sandy loam (original soil) mixed with topsoil, composted bark mulch and compost all roto tilled together. The rocks you see are the roses that are planted right on the edge of the soil change to hard pan, within one foot it changes to stuff you can barely dig with a machine. The light grey material is actually the beginning of my mulch program. I layered multiple layers of newspaper then put about an inch of this composted bark mulch mix on top and am anxiously awaiting delivery of 4 truck loads of bark mulch. On a positive note when I went out yesterday to cut back the roses Rugelda had pushed out about half a dozen buds! Thanks again, I appreciate all the help and advice you wise folks give. SCG |
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| The vendor advised you to FEED new bare root plants??? Feed them WHAT? God knows, you should not give them anything to push topgrowth at the expense of root growth. |
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| Bareroots are kept in cold storage from November until shipping. They should still be OK in April. However, on rare occasions, there is a failure of climate control where it gets too cold or too wet or dry, and lots of plants are injured. Something of that sort may have killed the canes. Feeding won't help until the plants are leafed out. Fuel for growth comes only from sugars and starches that are manufactured in photosynthesis and stored in the tissues. Plant "nutrients" are just raw materials for this process and cannot make a failing or dormant plant grow. So, don't fertilize. |
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- Posted by SouthCountryGuy SE BC 5 (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 14 at 13:31
| Thanks Jeri and Michael for the expertise. Yes, it was discussed to only feed these struggling roses a very weak solution. I feel it was more of a Hail Mary than anything else. Lets hope that a little sunshine on the weekend will spark some of these plants to grow. I am truly amazed at how fast Rugelda is now leafing out. SCG |
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