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roseseek z 10, SoCal (
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Sun, May 4, 14 at 16:22
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- Posted by Tessiess 9b, SoCal Inland, 12 (My Page) on
Sun, May 4, 14 at 18:20
| They do look alike Kim from what I see in your pictures. I grew La Reine for a number of years. I bought it from Antique Rose Emporium in the 1990s. The garden was on property I no longer own, but in the same city as where I live now. La Reine was a very healthy and floriferous rose. In this rust and mildew haven, it was completely clean. Growth habit was short (around 3 feet tall as best I recall), densely-foliaged, and in a narrow vase (pretty rigid too) shape. Color of the flowers was like in your pictures, and the flowers were very fragrant. If Malcolm in doing DNA testing to compare La Reine to Crestline Mulberry, I would be very interested in the results. Melissa |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| Does La Reine sucker on its own roots? Crestline sends out suckers. |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| Yes, both sucker own root. How far and widely they sucker depends upon the fertility and firablitiy of the soil, amount of water, level of available nutrients and climate. Eugene de Beauharnais suckers own root, also. I was able to send cuttings and own root suckers for propagation. Kim |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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- Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
Sun, May 4, 14 at 22:11
| Seems to me that an awful lot of mystery roses get identified as possible La Reine's. Do I remember correctly that Gregg and Phillip identified the Eureka Lemon mystery rose in the Sacramento Cemetery (which now is also in my garden : > ) as La Reine. Was La Reine so widely planted in California that this could be so? Thanks,
Diane |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| It certainly appears so, Diane. Tillitson's and Roses of Yesterday and Today sold it. Armstrong listed it all the way through the 1970s in their catalogs. It suckers easily and grows perfectly well from rooted suckers as well as roots easily, making it a great pass-along plant. For something to be shared easily, it would have to be very easily propagated. Because California had massive wealth all through the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries, obtaining anything commercially available in the country posed little problem. Often, roses were available here within a year or two of their European introductions. Money has always "talked". Kim |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| I meant to take photos but the camera battery was dead, but my newly planted Crestline Mulberry from Kim is doing GREAT. Maybe the reason it is in so many California gardens is just that. |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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- Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
Sun, May 4, 14 at 23:43
| Thanks for the explanation Kim. Much appreciated. Kippy, good luck with your Crestline Mulberry. Kim, is CM commercially available? I'd like to compare it with Eureka Lemon, although your photos don't appear to be the same as EL which is taller and nods. Diane |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| Believe it or not, Diane, Crestline Mulberry was in the first Arena catalog. Syl saw it at The Huntington, liked it and begged bud wood from Clair. Muriel Humenick was going to offer it at one time. I don't know what happened to that. Fortunately, it does sucker so it isn't difficult to spread around...once you get it in the ground. A long time friend in Torrance, in whose garden my photos were taken, has spread it around all over South Coast Rose Society because it grows with no care and no issues in that climate. One member reported she has it on a hill side which gets constant sea winds close to the beach and it flourishes. Mine is trapped in a two gallon can due to no place to actually put it IN the ground, but I was able to give Jeri and Kippy both rooted pieces I roughed out of that can. I'd had to let it go with the old garden, knowing I could get it back from Torrance, which I finally did. If I recall correctly, The Sacramento Cemetery finally has one now. In Torrance, both La Reine and Crestline remain around two and a half to three feet. In the old Newhall garden, where I copiously mulched with horse manure, Crestline could easily hit four feet and a bit more. Kim |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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- Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
Mon, May 5, 14 at 1:21
| Thanks again Kim. Now I have a new quest. Will check with Anita Clevenger about it. Diane |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| You're welcome Diane, good luck! Kim |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| It certainly does look like La Reine. I've begun to realize that these found names are really important too. It is meaningful to know where my La Reines come from. |
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- Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
Tue, May 6, 14 at 15:58
| And some of the found roses could be superior clones of a named variety as well. Diane |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| Some of them actually appear to be, Diane. I've never had a La Reine that didn't rust and black spot badly, but Crestline remains far cleaner, far longer than the LR's I've bought. Kim |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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| I have also wondered if that might not be the case. Another example of it is, probably, my "De la Vina Mystery." |
RE: Crestline Mulberry unmasked?
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- Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
Wed, May 7, 14 at 12:48
| My 2012 catalog of roses at the Sacramento Cemetery does not list CM in the collection so am assuming it arrived at the cemetery after 2012. Jeri, putting in a hint for this rose to be propagated for the annual sale. Diane |
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