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A "Found" Tea Rose of Great Beauty

Posted by jerijen Sunset Z24 (My Page) on
Thu, May 15, 14 at 18:51

When Rose hunters first looked at the "JESSE HILDRETH" rose, they asked: "Might this be DEVONIENSIS? Though it was sold in 19th-Century California, DEVONIENSIS has not been a common find here.

That identity looked promising, until the rose found near young Hildreths 1866 grave was planted next to a known plant of DEVONIENSIS.

The differences were obvious.

So, if this vigorous, disease-resistant, fragrant Tea Rose is not DEVONIENSIS, what is it? As is true of many Found Roses, we just dont know.

There ARE some similarities between "JESSE HILDRETH" and DEVONIENSIS, and some resemblance, too, to LAMARQUE. It is tempting to imagine a relationship between the three -- but that would be premature.

The mother plant in an old cemetery has been struggling, but a new local Heritage Roses Group is taking responsibility for it. Still, it is fortunate that a few new plants have been propagated. "JESSE HILDRETH" is protected, and is being studied, in the Sacramento City Cemetery and the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, and . . . in MY garden. :-)

Jeri Jennings


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  • Posted by alameda 8 - East Texas (My Page) on
    Thu, May 15, 14 at 19:01

Gorgeous, gorgeous!!! Lucky you, Jeri!


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  • Posted by vettin z6b Northern VA (My Page) on
    Thu, May 15, 14 at 19:43

Wow, look at the size of those blooms. Please let us know if this becomes available on the east coast...


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What a lush, gorgeous, full-petaled beauty. A rose like this truly deserves to be cherished, passed on and allowed to reach as many people as possible.

Ingrid


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The blooms ARE huge. And it just doesn't have disease problems, at least in CA.

If we can get more plants grown up enough to propagate from, Malcolm Manners says he can get it going on the East Coast. We can also share it to people like Burling Leong, and maybe Rogue Valley Roses.

I hope to have a few blooms in a vase, on Sunday at the Celebration. Come see me! I have some surprises!

Jeri Jennings


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Jeri - I am booking a red eye flight to Cali now. Joking aside, what a lovely rose! Thanks for the eye candy (and the California dreaming)..


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  • Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
    Fri, May 16, 14 at 0:00

Beautiful rose Jeri. Looking forward to seeing it on Sunday.

Diane


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Thank you for sharing your magnificent mystery rose, Jeri! I have fingers crossed for propagation and nursery sales someday. RVR is right here in OR. I know, I know. JH is a tea rose. I'll never learn, but really, with a bloom like Jesse Hildreth's, who can blame me? :-) Carol


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Thanks for sharing this beauty -- it seems to be in good hands. Have a wonderful Celebration this Sunday.

jannike


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Thanks for sharing information about Jesse Hildreth as well as the photos. The blooms are amazing. What a responsibility when there are so few. Good luck!


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How beautiful it is Jeri. I can see that it isn't the same as Devoniensis. I hope it gets spread around far and wide and in my garden too some day.


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Wow, what a beautiful rose! And look at the size! Thanks for sharing :)


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One plant is being added to the silent auction!

Jeri


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One plant is being added to the silent auction!

Jeri


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Jeri- I'm so glad that you brought this beauty to the attention of Dr. Manners here in FL. I'd love to have it in my garden someday!

Avalon


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We visited the cemetery on Sat., where 'Jesse Hildreth' grows. Us, and Jill Perry, and a group of folks from the local HRG group. Jesse was just winding down from a heavy flush, on good new growth.

The local group is now guarding and caring for the roses there now, and they have saved Jesse and others.

Recent wind brought down some old branches, providing ample cutting material. I am hopeful that, in a few months, there will be several more new plants.


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That's a beautiful tea rose, Jeri.

Randy


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Yeah, RAndy. I think it's exceptional. Very disease-free! Here's a look at new growth and prickles.


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thanks for sharing!


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  • Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
    Tue, May 20, 14 at 9:49

"great beauty" -- you got that right.


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Has this rose been compared to either Mme. Bravy or White Catherine Mermet? It reminds me of both of those quite a bit.

Jay


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I have not seen it against them -- but from photos, I would think it is not.

To be honest, I think it is in some part related to 'Lamarque.' Here's a good look at buds and a bit at foliage. It's very distinctive.


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You must have rediscovered 'Cinderella', the long lost Noisette which Mr. H.B. Ellwanger thought looked too much like 'Lamarque'.

In the late 1800s, he was complaining about "too much alike" roses!


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Does it ever exhibit shading on the buds or is it generally that solid in color? Whatever it is it sure is lovely.

Jay


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What an interesting story and a lovely rose. amazing!


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Nastarana -- I will look that up.

Jay -- In fact, it is the faintest lemon-tone, at its heart.

It made both Jill Perry and I wonder what the elusive, extinct, 'Smith's Yellow' really looked like. (There are botanical illustrations, on HMF.)

In VERY cool weather, I have seen the very faintest blush along the petal edges of an opening bloom..


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  • Posted by rbehs 10a/S17 (My Page) on
    Thu, May 22, 14 at 11:15

I was paging through the 1921 American Rose Annual yesterday, looking for Howard & Smith introductions, and I decided to look up one of Fr. Schoener's roses on HMF. It was an extinct HT named 'My Queen' that has the tea rose 'Golden Gate' as a parent. That being said, this 'Jesse Hildreth' seems to match the 'Golden Gate' description pretty well, after looking it up in the Old Rose Advisor. This is just wild speculation, but would be cool based on the California connection of both.


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I have a strong feeling, based upon the condition of the plant, that this is something from the mid-to-late 1800's.

But you never know.

I like it as a match for 'Mlle. Germaine Raud' SEE:
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.45863

That rose is a good match for "Jesse Hildreth,' and has 'Lamarque' as a parent . . . But it comes from an amateur breeder in France, so finding it in CA seems a stretch.

But it is fun to speculate!

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Mlle Germaine Raud' on HMF


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  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Thu, May 22, 14 at 13:51

Jeri -- last night I was re-reading "In Search of Lost Roses" by Thomas Christopher, and came upon something which might relate to this rose. On page 59 he discusses how specific roses were chosen to be planted at certain graves based on various associations with the rose.

"Not just any rose would do, though, as witnessed by one gardening guide from the turn of the century, 'Everblooming Roses' by Georgia Torrey Drennan which devoted a whole chapter to a discussion of the best roses for this purpose....[continuing on]...'Cornelia Cook,' a white Tea of exceptional purity and waxy camellia-like blossoms, had been the rose tossed at the feet of Jenny Lind, the "Swedish Nightingale," during her American concert tour in 1850. The glamour that reflected on the rose was attested, the author noted, by the many graves of that era that still sported a venerable specimen of 'Cornelia Cook.'"

So I looked up 'Cornelia Cook' on HelpMeFind. There are no pics, but it's mentioned as being a seedling of 'Devoniensis'. There are a few references, and I found another by googling, which I linked below. Has this rose come up as a possibile identity for "Jesse Hildreth"?

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: Cornelia Cook -- A Rose that is a Model of Beauty


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Wow, beautiful :D


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Based upon her breeding, she could certainly be a possibility.

But to be frank, finding an identity for the rose doesn't much concern me. That's for others to contemplate. It is a wonderful rose, no matter what name it may once have had.

Preservation is my primary concern. That, and distribution, as a hedge against extinction. If I can see that done, I am content . . . And it's OK by me if it remains "Jesse Hildreth" for all time.

My heart beat a little faster, last week, to see the mother plant blooming fiercely on its new basal canes -- and a bit faster, too, to see new canes springing up on my own immature plant -- with propagation in the future.


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BTW -- one thing against 'Cornelia Cook' as an identification is the mention of its lack of bloom as a young plant.

Whatever "Jesse Hildreth" is (or is not) it is a rose that will bloom its heart out from the git-go. No one could claim that an immature plant did not produce bloom, although it is at the same time growing vigorously. One big flush of bloom is followed by a rush of new growth, topped-off by the next flush.


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  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Fri, May 23, 14 at 12:37

Ah, ok...I didn't know about that aspect. Well, whatever it is, it's certainly wonderful. I'll be seeking it out in a few years when I am living where I can grow Teas more dependably.

:-)

~Christopher


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This morning, in blessedly COOL weather for a change, the first bud of a new flush opens, here in my own garden. "Jesse Hildreth" rarely shows this tinge of pink -- certainly an effect of the weather -- but I find it interesting, and attractive.


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