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| Yesterday I visited Rosemary's Roses in Columbia CA. What an amazing experience. She doesn't mail order and the roses she sells are in 5 gal pots and are GIGANTIC. It was not on my list but she had a specimen of Rosa moschata that was about 4 feet tall and very bushy so how could I pass it up. Now I need to know how large it gets and how much shade it can take. Do you grow yours as a climber or large shrub? Thanks!!! |
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- Posted by jill_perry z9 CA (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 14 at 22:56
| You can keep it as a 4' shrub or let it climb a tree to 12 feet. I don't know its shade tolerance, but it you run it up a tree, it will find sun. Jill |
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- Posted by PortlandMysteryRose 8 (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 14 at 23:20
| Hi, Diane. I had a Rosa Moschata at my last garden and it was quite shade tolerant. It received reflected light but I doubt it got much direct sun, maybe an hour or two max? It did seem to grow tallish in shade and didn't bloom as much as some I've seen in full sun, but it bloomed enough to satisfy my craving for its wafting, fragrant, historical blooms. I grew mine adjacent to and tied to an arch. It didn't bend over the top but fluffed up next to the structure which was covered by a Clematis 'Comtesse de Bouchaud' miraculously growing in the shady conditions as well. Comrade in Rose Noir, Carol |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 14 at 23:24
| Diane Anything else there of interest? If we end up going camping I might have to make room for a rose and take a detour :) |
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| Mine came as a band only last year, but where I planted it, it gets direct morning sun for only about 4 hours, then bright shade, then a little dappled sun just before sunset. By the end of the season, it reached about 3' tall, in habit like a semi-climbing shrub. Living where Winters happen (and this last one was a real doozy), it had to be cut back to about 4" from the ground, but rebounded and is full of healthy, green leaves on canes that don't appear to be "stretching for the light." I was reading anything I could find about this rose, and from what I found, it is about as shade-tolerant as many of the Hybrid Musks and others with strong Multiflora background, but that in shadier conditions, it's more apt to be a climber. That's just fine for where I planted it -- and if it climbs into the limbed-up arbor vitae in its bed, it will get more sun. And that's what I want it to eventually do. There are some pics of it on HelpMeFind (though I think what is grown as 'Rosa moschata' isn't always the same rose from place to place). There is some thought that it's actually a dwarf, long-blooming variant of a form of 'R. brunonii', and that rose will grow in the shade of a tree as it climbs to the sky, blooming when it reaches sunlight. Again, this is just what I've gathered from reading what others had to say. I'm thinking that Malcolm Manners is really the authority on 'R. moschata' on this forum, so he'd be the one to ask. Here are some forum search results: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg0815394210043.html http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg061011394349.html http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg021513525103.html http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg0322040712822.html?7 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg1221373422191.html http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesant/msg0420481721981.html?4
:-) ~Christopher |
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| Thanks for the quick responses everyone. It confirms what I thought, that the rose is shade tolerant. I plan on growing it as a climber. Carol, you make me laugh. Comrades indeed! Christopher, really appreciate all the links. Kippy, here's their old rose section link but look through their whole catalog. It's worth a detour to go see their garden and the town of Columbia is charming. Have lunch at Columbia Kate's Tea House and make sure to make a reservation first. Rosemary is open weekdays 10-4 but best to contact them in advance. Diane |
Here is a link that might be useful: Rosemary's Roses
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 0:39
| Thank you Diane. I really want to go back up and spend a few days in that area. And looking at her site I could find a few to bring home :-) |
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| In my experience keeping Rosa moschata restricted to a 4 feet by 4 feet size would take constant pruning, and it is a thorny beast. Perhaps 6 by 6 is reasonable. It wants to be larger. If you can do it, then my hat is off to you. I could not. Folly |
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| Hi Folly, I plan on letting mine get as big as it wants, along the same fence as my giant Francis E. Lester. Jill I'm surprised also to hear it can be kept to 4x4. Diane |
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| Lest anyone in my area (with winters that bite) worries about the size, I'll add that mine have stayed mannerly and under five to six feet tall, shorter after canker inducing cold-at-the-wrong-time-of-winter freezes in late January through February. I may have lost my oldest one near the house this past winter so have already replaced it. Mine have tolerated up to half day dapple shade- half day sun.. |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Fri, May 30, 14 at 9:08
| Now I want to go to Rosemarie's Roses. Michael and I love Columbia. |
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| anntn6b, somehow I don't expect mine to stay mannerly as this is coastal California. But that's fine with me. Pamela, she's talking about stopping her rose nursery in the near future so keep that in mind. Diane |
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