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Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

Posted by professorroush 6A (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 19, 12 at 9:30

I recently rated the Old Garden Roses I grow on their blackspot this year; my garden is no spray. Fantin Latour, Rose de Rescht and Variegata di Bologna have the worst cases, most others are blackspot free. See the blog:

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Musings blog on Blackspot in OGR's


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RE: Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

I only grow two of your roses, Coquette des Blanches and La France. Both of them are completely free of blackspot. In the case of La France, I wonder whether a warm, dry climate is not more to her liking. Mine is very young but every bloom produced has been glorious, no balling at all, in spite of the fact that I've encountered balling with some of my tea roses this year. It will be interesting to see what others have experienced with their old roses.

Ingrid


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RE: Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

Thank you great report. I grow most of them. As usual my experience here in MD is a little different. By significant BS I mean more than 50% leaf loss.

Semiplena is my clean alba.
Captain John Ingram is clean moss
Spinossissimas are mostly clean, I hav6+ different ones.
I have plenty of clean gallicas (Tuscany,Mundi, Apthecary, Ipsylante, etc)

From your list:
Fantin Latour - significant BS
Madame Hardy - significant BS
Double Scotch White -clean
Konigin Von Danemark - most of the years clean, but sometimes get BS and defoliates
Comte de Chambord - BS disaster, much worse than Rose de Rescht. Can be a least BS resitant OGR I ever grew.
La Reine Victoria - significant BS
Zephirine Drouhin - significant BS. Mostly naked
Celsiana - significant BS
Duchesse de Montebello - clean
Charles de Mills - some BS, not much
Louise Odier -defoliates completely
Ballerina - significant BS
Rose de Rescht- some BS and a lot of damask brown crud
Variegata di Bologna - defoliates
Red Moss (Henri Martin)- some BS, not that much
Salat - significant BS
Reine des Violettes -significant BS
Madame Issac Pierre - significant BS, but better than Variegata di Bologna.
Cardinal de Richelieu - significant BS plus crud
Belle de Crecy - very little BS, mostly clean
Blush Hip -significant BS
Frau Karl Druschki - significant BS
Shailor's Provence - mostly clean
Madame Plantier - some BS, not much
Maiden's Blush -significant BS
La France -defoliates

Olga


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RE: Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

I live in a warm & dry summer area, within 4 blocks of the downtown of a 50,000 pop town, and 4 blocks from the freeway. I note that because I have read that living in urban areas may diminish black spot because of the sulpher in the air.

Anyway, I grow a lot of teas, noisettes, and chinas. None of them get much blackspot at all, although some of them do get some mildew.

I also have maybe a half dozen old HTs - they all get blackspot to some degree, and a few of them also get rust - eeew! I only keep them because they are family heirlooms, having been planted by my husband's grandfather in the 1930s & 40s.

So, I agree that the real old OGRs seem to be way more resistant to blackspot.

Jackie


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RE: Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

Great input everyone, especially Olga with her list. I wonder if it would be a useful exercise if we chose 5 or 10 very ommon OGR's and then made a list of how they performed in geographic areas by response from members here?


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RE: Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

My roses are in coastal RI and my albas and musk and rugosas are OK. Worst of the others is Alberic Barbier.


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RE: Blackspot on Old Garden Roses

Of my mixed collection of modern HTs, OGRs and shrubs, only 4 roses have blackspot: Jacqueline du Pre (shrub), Blanche Moreaux (moss), and the two minis. All the modern HTs are clean. I only just made my first app of fungicide, primarily to keep the bs from spreading to the HTs from Jacqu and Blanche. So much for HTs being disease prone while OGRs and shrubs are resistant.

La France gets horrible blackspot and botrytis here. I don't grow her for that reason.

From Olga's list, of the ones I have experience with here in western Washington:

Mme Hardy, pretty clean
Konigen von Danemark, pretty clean
Zeph Drouhin, covered with mildew to the point that you couldn't see if it had blackspot; defoliates. This in an area where PM is not common.
Louise Odier, defoliates
Ballerina, fairly clean
Rose de Rescht, some bs
Mme Isaac Pereire, lots of bs, defoliates
Frau Karl D, some bs but not bad. PM is a problem.
La France, bad bs
Mme Plantier, fairly clean

Regional reports and recommendations would be a good idea.


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