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Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

Posted by sunnysideuphill 5 (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 10:15

Could a gallica that survived our brutal winter with minimal cane damage have somehow lost the blossom buds before they developed? The shrub itself has never looked better - full, with very healthy foliage.
Everything has been weirdly late and overlapping this spring - rugosa Hansa bloomed first, not Therese Bugnet which has just begun to show pink. Polareis has one half open bud, all others still shut. Other roses of all types have tight little green buds. But the Cardinal - nada, niente, zilch.


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 11:26

Look closely to see if the buds were removed -- squirrels do this to some of my roses from time to time.

:-)

~Christopher


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 16:15

The canes may have survived but being a once bloomer the flower buds it set last season may have frozen off. I don't have any once blooming roses but I do have many flowering shrubs that did not bloom at all or had dramatically reduced amounts of bloom this spring, Anything that set it's flower buds last season for this season was affected.


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

Thanks Seil, I think that is likely what happened. The alba/damask/gallica roses while not totally empty have far fewer buds than usual.


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

Once-blooming gallicas do not set their buds the previous season like other shrubs that do so such as azaleas and rhodos (which you can see the buds if you look). New buds are formed in the spring on old wood for the old European roses (if you look at the canes in the winter there are just slight leaf bumps, no flower buds at all). If you had winter damage to the old canes and have mostly new ones from the base they would not bloom. I had one gallica (Tuscany) not bloom for me this year, but it had been transplanted in the fall which probably contributed because it lost a lot of canes this winter and is putting energy on the root growth and cane regrowth. My other once-bloomers are blooming more or less normally.

So I think Christopher may be on to the culprit as to a critter having a tasty snack.


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

snack theory undermined by the fact that Darlow's Enigma, two David Austins, two Therese Bugnets all within 10 feet surrounding the Cardinal are untouched....


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

Or did you get a late freeze after the rose had broken dormancy and begun to set bloom buds? Flower buds are more susceptible than leaf buds to freezes, and roses have "extra" leaf buds to bounce back. However, if a once-bloomer looses its flower buds for the year you aren't likely to make more. That would explain why some of your roses had less spectacular blooms this year too... while here we stayed cold and the roses broke dormancy late, so the blooms were abundant.


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

Some critters are quite selective in their eating. My squirrels, for example, prefer spinossisima hips to any other kind. So just because other nearby roses of different types weren't affected, doesn't mean anything.

Some gallicas and damasks do set more than one generation of flower buds. In that sense they repeat, though the generations are quite close together, and usually overlap. Ispahan definitely does this in my garden. So I wouldn't count things out quite yet.


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RE: Cardinal de Richelieu - no buds!

  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 21:05

For me, the only buds that got nibbled were those which were dark-colored and withtin easy reach of the ground. Thus I saw no flowers on "Eugene de Beauharnais", and 'Pierre Notting' lost a few. But those which were light-colored and/or out of reach were left alone.

:-)

~Christopher


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