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Charles XII a good rose?

Posted by KingCobb 9a/TX (My Page) on
Wed, Jun 4, 14 at 11:54

Roses Unlimited is having their sale and I am looking for another rose to order along with Cardinal de Rechelieu.

Thinking about Charles XII, but can't find much experience with him.


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also considering comtesse de segur.


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I've had this rose in my garden since last summer. It is very healthy, grown rapidly, but has yet to have a single bloom.

Lynn


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'Charles XII' grows strong, lengthy canes (6-8') bearing robust, healthy foliage. Its habit is such that it is best in the background, or against a fence or wall. Its blossoms are produced--unlike with most Bourbons--on second-year (and older) canes, such that, if you prune it back severely, you'll be sacrificing the remarkable display of big blossoms which come in clusters of 2-4 from the axils of these older canes. One of the variety's attributes is that, though the blossoms appear to be full, they're actually (eventually) open at the center, so balling is rare or non-existent. It also has big fat orange hips, which are decorative in themselves. It puts on quite a show at first bloom of the season with its innumerable clusters of big flowers all along the upper portions of the canes! (I may be biased, though; I raised it.)


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  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Sun, Jun 8, 14 at 23:55

I had to look this one up. I don't have it, but it turns out I have its parent, 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau.' Mine came as a band in Spring 2012, and it grew and grew but never bloomed that year. I finally got to see its flowers last year -- two small flushes before the peak of Summer, and a small flush in Autumn.

This is its third year, and I didn't cut back any canes except for minor frost damage. They grew up, then leaned, then went almost horizontal (but not flopping on the ground). Its first flush this year was rather amazing! So going by its parent, big flushes of blooms in Spring will come on laterals on old wood, with a few scattered flowers on new wood as well. Later in the season, flowers seemed to come on canes that were new in Spring but must have matured enough by Autumn to bloom.

Again, this isn't 'Charles XII' but its parent, 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau.' The other parent isn't listed -- it might even be a self-seedling. In any case, I thought perhaps seeing the growth habit of SdVL might give insight into CXII. And as far as blackspot goes, SdVL NEVER went naked, but did get minor spotting on leaves which were quickly shed. Overall, it stayed really clean -- especially for a Bourbon living in NJ and not sprayed with fungicides.


August 2012, four months after coming as a band from Vintage Gardens
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April 2013 -- leafing out
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First blooms May 22 and 23, 2013 were not fully double, but those on the next wave a couple weeks later were
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June 13, 2013 -- look closely and you'll see the next wave of flower buds
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Planted in the ground, August 31, 2013 -- it's just to the left of center, and its canes have naturally leaned to horizontal but stiff enough to keep from dragging on the ground. The whole plant is rather shaped like an octopus.
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May 2014 -- 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau' stretches nearly the entire width of this pic, the base just behind its white name-tag
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May 29, 2014 -- its first opening bloom
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Flush beginning on right half of plant two days later
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...and on the left half
Flowers also opening on the left side of 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau.' photo 10300285_10152143264772285_3894991256470029513_n.jpg


...and on June 2, 2014 -- this is about half-way to full-flush (and the most recent pic I have of it, and yes, all those pink flowers belong to one plant of SdVL in its third year from a band)
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Hope that gives an idea.

:-)

~Christopher

This post was edited by AquaEyes on Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 0:51


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Very Nice Christopher...and thanks!

The way you document your roses is most helpful to me and I would guess others too. I hope you continue to show images of your garden as it continues to mature.

Lynn


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Yes--thanks Christopher--well done!

I can add that the growth of 'Charles XII' is tendentially stouter than that of its parent 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau', so that--for me at least, in coastal So Cal--the thick main canes are upright, with the occasional lesser canes being more horizontal. The flower color and flower form are very different, however, between parent and child, with CXII having larger, more sumptuous blossoms.

The original specimen of CXII is still in my garden and productive. It also has a sibling, 'Gustavus Vasa', which differs in many ways and is a thoroughly likeable rose . . . but, try as I might year after year, I can't seem to get cuttings or layers of it to strike root, so it exists in only one ageing specimen, the original plant. GV's flowers are flat in form, and (unlike those of CXII) completely full; as you might imagine, it thus produces very few hips. The flower-color is a much deeper pink, approaching rose. The petals are narrower than are those of the lushly petaled CXII, and so more "old fashioned" in appearance. The habit is less "cane-y" and more "branchy," though still, like its sibling, a rose for against a fence or wall. I indeed had quite a large crop of vigorous seedlings, the crop which produced these two siblings. For lack of space, I had to discard before first bloom all but these two, when the crop was about three years old; since, once these two finally bloomed, they both were "winners," and each of the two different from the other, I've always regretted discarding all the other siblings, in which there were no doubt other fine Bourbons.


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Since Gustavus is beautiful, cannot be reproduced by cutting nor by layer, and there is only one specimen in existence, how about getting Burlington to graft some/one for you (and posterity)?

Cath


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Cath, good idea! I'll see if perhaps she's interested . . . It could be that someone with a proper propagator would be able to root cuttings, too (I do it the old-fashioned way . . . the really old-fashioned way . . . basically "on a wing and a prayer") . . .


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