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| I have a spot in my yard where I can plant one rose. M.I.P. is growing in a large pot, and in a short amount of time, I have come to really like this rose. I do believe that it could become fairly sizable bush. It was purchased as a one gallon plant last Fall and already has 3-4' canes. Baronne Prevost was received as a band this Spring and is growing in a one gallon pot. I have yet to see any blooms; but that is okay as it is newer. It seems happy and is growing rapidly. One of these roses will be placed in a focal point position that was once home to a Carding Mill. If you had to choose, which one would it be, Baronne Prevost or Madame Isaac Pereire? Lynn |
This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 13:02
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 Texas (My Page) on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 14:23
| The Madame of course. I wouldn't relocate Gertrude Jekyll. She might resent you. She's "special". |
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- Posted by malcolm_manners 9b C. Fla. (My Page) on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 14:57
| In a hot climate, I'd choose BP any day -- FAR better rebloom on a better-shaped plant. |
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| I'm with Malcolm, plus BP has MANY fewer plant and foliage issues in dry, hot climates. Kim |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9 az (My Page) on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 15:58
| Baronne Prevost is a once bloomer so far in my climate. Beautiful when in bloom though. I have never gotten MIP to grow here. I've tried her 2 or 3 times and she always succumbs to the summer heat. |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9/SZ11 -Las Vegas, N (My Page) on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 16:38
| Mauvegirl, lol Malcolm_manners, roseseek and Jaspermplants, Right now, MIP is healthier than Baronne Prevost and Paul Neyron, but it was purchased as a one gallon plant versus a band which was the case for the other two. Jasperm, I hope that M.I.P. Makes it through Hades- (July) here, what was the issue for M.I.P. In your garden? Lynn |
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- Posted by malcolm_manners 9b C. Fla. (My Page) on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 16:48
| Baronne Prevost is probably the most reliable repeater of any HP that I've ever grown. It does require dead-heading, but then repeats immediately. As for Paul Neyron, the secret to getting good rebloom on it, here, is hard dead-heading -- that is to say, really cut it back at each dead-heading. Then it, too, will flower on every flush. MIP is pretty much once-flowering here; occasionally a flower or two in the autumn, but mostly spring. But of course, it would behave differently in your hotter, drier climate. |
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| Prevost repeats in Valencia, CA and here in the San Fernando Valley. Neither have petals which stand up well to blistering heat. Prevost is the healthier plant in these climates. MIP flowers best in spring with some later repeat and MUCH foliage crud of varying kinds. MIP is best grown as a pillar rose here for maximum flowering. Think of how Huey grows and flowers, then change the flowers to MIP style and color and add more mildew, rust and black spot and you'll have the perfect vision of how MIP is here with no chemical intervention. Kim |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9az (My Page) on Sat, Jun 28, 14 at 17:49
| I think every MIP I've tried has been a band and just doesn't make it thru the hot summer. That's not to say it can't, but I haven't been successful with it yet. However, it may not have been planted int the best spot, or gotten enough water,etc, etc. I probably have too many roses as I struggle to maintain them sometimes during the ling, hot summer. And, as many others have noted on this forum, there are roses that just do better in certain climates without constant babying, and MIP is certainly NOT one of those for me in hot, dry climate. (Anyone else hate typing on Ipad with dang spell check. I read back over my message and see my words have been changed in the most bizarre ways!) |
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| Jasper, my experience has been with MIP budded to Huey by "he who shall remain nameless" as well as own root which I rooted from established plants when I volunteered at The Huntington Library. I'm sure she's good somewhere, it just hasn't been the hot, arid, long summer, almost no winter, low rainfall, alkaline Los Angeles surrounds. Kim |
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| Baronne grew well for me, but did not have good reblooms. I don't think it was as bad as Gertrude, but I remember being really excited when it did rebloom. I have never grown MIP. When I started to purchase it, I think the vendor encouraged me to select another. It possibly grows taller than what I had wanted. I regretted shovel pruning Baronne because I had wanted a hybrid perpetual, but it's gone. Sammy |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 - Las Vegas (My Page) on Sun, Jun 29, 14 at 15:01
| I have been searching on-line for images of Baronne Prevost and M.I.P. I am a sucker for the Bourbons, and really like Hybrid Perpetuals. Thus far, in my garden, the Bourbons seem to be performing better. Gertrude Jekyll may be re-located. Reading information on-line, it seems as though Gertrude Jekyll could be the least remontant of the three? Lynn |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville 7a (My Page) on Sun, Jun 29, 14 at 20:31
| I planted MIP behind the garage in my cutting bed area. BOY am I glad I did. I wouldn't make that rose a focal point anywhere except the best parts of England or New Zealand. It's nasty after bloom. I posted the spring flush photo and I meant to take one of it before I completely pulled off most every leaf. It was definitely the harsh reality of rose growing…. I coddled the roses in that bed too. It showed when they bloomed but for 6 weeks after I wouldn't take any visitor back there. Then I defoliated it and now it is coming back and budding up. If you grow it, hide it somewhere that you can smell it and cut it for the house. I was a wide eyed romantic when I planted MIP. Just don't do it. Just don't do it. Just don't do it. Oh, and PS last year MIP and her companions were beautiful. Not a BIT of nastiness. There is something about some roses (in my experience) that after they bloom they just spot up, defoliate, foliate, and bloom again. That is MIP. Maggie is a beautiful healthy floriferous Bourbon. Mme. Driout is a pretty one with a subtle stripe. Sorry if I"m coming on too strong. I was just out looking at her tonight shaking my head in frustration. I don't grow BP yet. She's coming this fall. Susan |
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| I've never grown Baronne Prevost but it is on my short list. I have Madame Isaac Pereire and she has been stunning with okay to good repeat. The fragrance is outstanding. As for Gertrude Jekyll get rid of it. There are better rose pink cultivars. I understand she is very beautiful when in full bloom but Galloping Gertie is downright stingy after the first flush. My top pick for your climate zone is COMTE DE CHAMBORD. Very similar in color and fragrance to Gertie but with better repeat bloom. A small cultivar in z6b but in your zone will make a sizable plant. |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 - Las Vegas (My Page) on Sun, Jun 29, 14 at 22:34
| poorbutroserich, "There is something about some roses (in my experience) that after they bloom they just spot up, defoliate, foliate, and bloom again. That is MIP." Spot up, defoliate, and bloom..spot up as in black spot? If so, I am not sure that I have ever seen it in a garden here. Would that be the extent of the non-attractiveness or is the shape etc. unattractive too? Molineux, I was thinking of placing MIP in the spot where Carding Mill use to reside; it is in a pot on the other side of the yard right now, and Baronne Prevost in Gertrude Jekyll's spot if I re-locate her. My Gertrude Jekyll is grafted, planted last year and has only produced about 4 blooms total. If it was a band, or even a 1 gallon own-root I would definitely overlook it, but 4 blooms….I had forgotten how long it has been here and that it is grafted. Thank you for suggesting Comte De Chambord. That rose has been on and off my list for year. Lynn |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville 7a (My Page) on Tue, Jul 1, 14 at 18:45
| Lynn, the spot and defoliation would be the extent of the yuck! Long arching canes that I pull down as horizontally as possible. Mine is actually starting the second flush and it is young so I have hope for better disease resistance with age. If yours is doing well in a pot then maybe get it through the summer and if it does well put it in the ground? Mine looked gorgeous all last year and I thought I had dodged the BS bullet but alas, it wasn't to be. Gorgeous rose! Susan |
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| another vote for Compte de Chambord' nearly clean foliage in our no spray garden, repeats as well as a Florabunda Fragrance is strong damask rose type. M.I.P is R.I.P. as it was very disease ridden with every fungal disease known to me. I love Baronne Prevost' and it would be my second choice after C. de C., (re-bloom is almost as good as a H.T. where I live, meaning 3-4 months of bloom each year ) and is just as fragrant, however it gets a little b.s., less than ten percent when conditions are good for that disease. Lux |
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| The Baronne has been much better for me, in 2 different climates--muggy coastal & this deserty one. MUCH better. MIP is so pretty in photos & she does smell nice, but it's never been healthy or a good repeater in either. As posted above, she gets disease riddled & defoliates, often before finishing out a spring flush, then rarely repeats, even when most roses do in fall. Baronne Prevost has a nice graceful vase shape, flowers then rests, then repeats, all season long. The flowers are beautiful, with button eyes & smell wonderful. FWIW, Comte de Chambord hasn't done well for me in either climate. I keep trying because it's beautiful, but it's been marginal, not flowering & looking pitifully chlorotic. |
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