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Help me ID this old rose, please.

Posted by alisande Zone 4b (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 24, 14 at 13:40

This rose was old when we moved here in 1975. It was in better shape then; I found it did better if I left it alone other than providing water and occasional fertilizer. This past winter was particularly hard on it, and some of its already sparse canes were lost. But what's left is blooming beautifully, mostly on a cane about 5 ft. tall. The scent is wonderful.

I tried to photograph everything you might need for the ID. Thank you!


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  • Posted by belmont NE Pennsylvania (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 24, 14 at 15:25

This looks like Summer or Autumn Damask to me.


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  • Posted by belmont NE Pennsylvania (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 25, 14 at 10:45

Alternately, it might be something that is often found in my area (NE Pennsylvania) which has the study name of 'Pocono Red Damask.' I don't think there is much info available about it under that name online or in print. 'Pocono Red Damask' may be the same as what Vintage sold as "Laura," which they classified as a Centifolia.

If you look at the photos of "Laura" on HMF it may be confusing because I am not sure they are all of the same rose.

Here is a link that might be useful: Vintage's


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Thanks, Belmont--I'm in NEPA too. I looked up Autumn and Summer Damask, and while the fully-open blooms resembled mine, none of the photos on HMF showed the form visible in my third photo.

I've wondered if I have a Centifolia, but the Centifolia pics I've seen show cupping, especially when the blooms aren't fully opened. I just went out and took another look. Nope, no cups. Lots of petals, though.


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  • Posted by belmont NE Pennsylvania (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 25, 14 at 11:17

Well, if you are in the area I am pretty sure it's the same 'Pocono Red Damask. I don't think Summer/Autumn Damask are commonly found here.

I am no expert but the friend who gave it the study name did not feel it was a Centifolia.

Wow, where in NEPA are you? I am in Northern Wayne County. If you are interested in sharing plants I am up for it.


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I'm in Southern Wayne Co. It's a tall county! I do love it--it's all beautiful.

Sadly, my gardening days are winding down, so I'm not seeking new plants. Between an invasion of Germander Speedwell, advancing age (mine) and a chronic condition leftover from one of my (many) tick bites, the weeds have been winning and I don't have the energy for the battle anymore. I gave away quite a few plants last year, and if/when I do it again, I'll be glad to let you know. Do you ever come to Honesdale? It's so centrally located. ;-)


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  • Posted by belmont NE Pennsylvania (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 25, 14 at 18:15

Yes, I brave the traffic in Honesdale a few times a month. If you are ever sharing plants again I might be interested.

So you have Germander Speedwell way down there too? I decided to stop fighting it and think it makes a nice groundcover. I may change my mind about that eventually. I used to think the same thing about strawberry...


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It reminds me of Bella Donna


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I agree, Germander Speedwell is pretty. In fact, at first I thought I might have planted it at some point, not realizing how invasive it is. But the Extension Office told me it's all over the county.

I don't mind it in the lawn (it's green!), but it swallowed up my rock garden and took over all the flower beds. The roses don't seem to be affected, but it's taken quite a toll on the irises. I moved some to what I thought was a safe place, but it turns out no place is safe from this groundcover.


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