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Mon, Jun 23, 14 at 20:35
I came across this rose while driving a work route. It was growing by the sidewalk in front of an old house in an old neighborhood. The owner was outside watering, gladly let me take cuttings, but didn't know anything about it. The bush was about 5' wide x 4' tall. It has a lovely fragrance. I know the blooms are kind of spent, but the rose was towards the end of it's flush, so these were the best I could get. The blooms are about 2.5 inches wide, but I guess the earlier ones would have been larger? I will pass the bush again tomorrow and will bring my camera to see if I can get some better photos. In the meantime, I'm eager to hear what you guys might think it is!    Thanks, |
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| I wonder if it's a type of Centifolia. How thorny was it? :-) ~Christopher |
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| What a beautiful rose! I have no idea what it is but would really love to find out. |
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| I will get back to you on the thorniness question. The cuttings I took only have little prickles on them, no thorns. |
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| I have doubts about it being pure Gallica -- the sepal structure and canes (showing thorn style and density) would be instructional..... |
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These are a couple of other pictures I took yesterday. When I'm able to get back to the bush, I'll take more detailed pictures. 
-Chris |
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| Interestingly, there's another thread here asking about a similar (to my amateur eyes) rose. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: Help me ID this old rose, please
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Chris, I saw that thread and thought the same thing! However, upon closer inspection, there are some major differences. Here are some additional shots I took today. There really isn't much in the way of thorns, mostly prickles. I had to search the bush to find the ones I photographed below. There were many canes coming out of the base, but I noticed it doesn't seem like it suckers much. It's surrounded by grass, but clearly they don't mow very close. Also, the plant appears to be very disease resistant and healthy, despite no care. Hope the pics help. 
I also noticed one or two of these.. -Chris |
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| Hmm...maybe one of the "Agathe" or other 'Rosa X francofurtana' roses? :-) ~Christopher |
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| Just to add a suggestion to rule out, does anyone else think it looks like 'Blush Damask' AKA 'Blush Gallica'? Nice photos, BTW! Virginia |
Here is a link that might be useful: HMF link to 'Blush Damask' info...
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| Not sure about 'Blush Damask', but it's certainly similar. Some of the pictures of it on helpmefind show a button eye, which I didn't observe on my rose. Christopher also suggested 'Ipsilante'. Can anyone who grows either of these roses possibly compare? Thanks, Chris |
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| Rose des Peintres can wind up looking like that? |
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| It is definitely of mixed pedigree with conspicuous Damask traits (sepals, leaflet shape, thorn type), but it doesn't resemble any specific cultivar I'm familiar with. I believe I can rule out 'Ipsilante' though. |
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| I was wondering why "Gallica"? To me, it has the vibe of an early or early-mid era HP (which is to say, one with a strong "presence" of an ancestral Damask Perpetual) that hasn't been pruned as HPs usually are (severely, and annually). |
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| Thanks for all the suggestions and information! I find this all very fascinating. I must admit, the "gallica" label was just a stab in the dark. If it's a damask perpetual or HP, it's the healthiest, most black spot free example out there. Not a spot on it anywhere. I hope my cuttings take and I can enjoy this rose in my garden. I guess learning if this is a repeat blooming rose will be another clue. The investigation continues. Thanks again, Chris |
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| I visited this rose again the other day to retrieve some fresh cuttings, as the ones I took this past spring didn't take. I was also curious to see if there was any re-bloom present, which there wasn't. Looks like this is a once-bloomer. I still think this is a beauty and hope my cuttings take this time around. Thanks to all your help, I have some good leads, with 'Blush Damask' seeming like the closest match so far. Of course, any new suggestions would be much appreciated :) -Chris |
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- Posted by farmerduck (My Page) on Sat, Sep 20, 14 at 11:23
| Looks like a Burbon I grew, Louse Odier. |
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| Chris, I hope your cuttings 'take' this time. That's a really beautiful rose. Virginia |
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| Thanks Virginia! I took a bunch of cuttings this time, so I think the odds are in my favor. I think Louise Odier is a really good suggestion and pretty much identical in appearance. My only reservations are that my rose seems like it's a once bloomer, while Louise repeats, and if it were a bourbon, I'd expect to see more of a blackspot issue, while this rose was clean spring through fall. |
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