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| We have, or had, a Cl Peace in our garden, planted right next to the driveway by my DH's grandfather. By the time we moved in 24 years ago, it had been surrounded by a huge pomegranate thicket, which was about 15 ft high and 20 ft wide. The Peace rose was climbing, I think to survive. It grew up through the canopy of the pomegranates, to where there was some light. I have been meaning to root it for at least 15 years, because we think it was planted in the late 1940s, and the blooms were amazing - I figured it might be a better cultivar than those on the market now. Anyway, of course I never did anything about it, and in the last 2 months it suddenly died completely. There was only one cane coming out of the ground, which then split into about 4 which were way up in the light, all of which died. At about 65 years old, I can't really complain. So, my DH cut it down. He was just getting around to digging out the stump (and I was sadly realizing I had missed the opportunity to root it), when he noticed some tiny new growth coming out of the lower part of the trunk (see pic). It was originally grafted, I know, because 20 years ago I pulled out some Dr. Huey suckers. But I hadn't seen any since then, so it is probably on its own roots. That is moot, however, because the new shoots are coming right out of the old trunk (and there is a tiny basil shoot emerging from the old bud union). It is still in dark shade, so my current plan is to protect the baby shoots from our deer and squirrels, and hope they get big/long enough so that I will eventually be able to root them. Then my old old Peace will be planted in the SUN, where it deserves to be. I am just amazed at how long it lived, and that it is still alive at all. One tough rose! Jackie |
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| Congratulations, Jackie! See? Given almost half a chance, even modern roses are survivors! Kim |
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| Did it bloom well, Jackie? We planted it years ago, and never could get much bloom out of it. I wonder if the older ones bloomed better. Jeri |
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| That's fabulous! Cut back those pomegranates and give it some TLC and I'm sure it will bounce back in no time at all. Maybe later on you could send me a cutting too? I would love to give it a try. Jeri, I had a new Cl. Peace and it never bloomed either. But other's just love theirs so it could just be the plant you had. |
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- Posted by zeffyrose_pa6b7 6b7 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 25, 13 at 22:25
| This story brought tears to my eyes---Ths old rose just wanted to live and bloom again.--Please keep us posted---I look forward to a real survivor story----It always amazes me when I see healthy new growth coming from a seemingly dead rose. Florence |
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| Hooray, I love survivor stories when roses come back to life. Diane |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Fri, Jul 26, 13 at 10:16
| I'm glad it's alive and i hope it thrives. It gets very tall shade or no. Mine is beautiful in the spring and if the summer is mild it reblooms. |
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| That is awesome! |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Fri, Jul 26, 13 at 11:46
| Jeri We have a cheap body bag Peace that is about 5 years old now, it puts out flushes of a dozen regularly |
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| I have my fingers crossed. If anyone can get it to grow and thrive, it is you, the Keeper of the Old Roses! Rosefolly |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Sat, Jul 27, 13 at 11:40
| Kim - for years it got rust and mildew, so I was grouping it in my mind with "modern" roses that have all of those problems. However, when it eventually got really tall that seemed to be reduced (or perhaps I just was too far away to see the rust!). If I can successfully root it and/or dig it up and move it, I will be keeping it nonetheless - I have a couple of other mid 20th century "family heirlooms" which are hybrid teas planted by my DH's grandfather - Sutter's Gold & Duet, and I will add this Peace to that collection. Jackie |
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| The disease issues don't surprise me, Jackie. Any organism stressed by nutrition, age, trauma, disease or environmental factors suffers from suppressed immune responses. The rose has been "ailing" for some time. As the wood ages, it becomes increasingly less able to flow sufficient sap to the growing parts. It appears to have needed that pruning for some time to encourage it to rejuvenate itself. Often, when an older rose refuses to propagate, it is necessary to prune it hard to "reintroduce juvenility." A term Clair Martin used frequently when I volunteered at The Huntington. It makes sense! Old, tired plants don't generate vigorous, vital wood. Why should tired wood be expected to propagate easily? It doesn't contain all the necessary hormones, auxins or nutrients in sufficient concentrations, or it would be actively, vigorously growing and flowering. Pruning to rejuvenate the plant, encourages it to produce new growth which has wider open capillaries, flowing more sap and nutrients to push newer, more juvenile growth. That growth with its "reintroduced juvenility" contains what it should to permit it to root or bud more easily. I saw that repeatedly propagating roses there. Isobel, the wonderful single HT, in that garden was a plant like your Peace. It hadn't generated a new basal in many years and looked like an old cypress gnarl with some growth and a few leaves and flowers on top. It repeatedly REFUSED to root. It took many tries until one succeeded, but from that new, juvenile plant, I was able to root new plants without issue or any special effort. Your Peace should now perform as it once did and more likely significantly better than you have ever witnessed. It should also now root far more easily than it ever has. The trick with these older specimen is to recognize what's happening as they become increasingly "geriatric", so we prune them and provide the proper culture to encourage them to rejuvenate themselves instead of becoming the "one cane wonders." Congratulations! Kim |
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- Posted by henry_kuska z5 OH (kuska@neo.rr.com) on Sat, Jul 27, 13 at 14:48
| Try layering a branch. Layering could either be in the ground or air layering. |
Here is a link that might be useful: One example a google earch will find other modifications
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Mon, Sep 2, 13 at 9:54
| Just an update on the above. I noticed yesterday that what had been 3 healthy sprouts coming out of the only cane (about 4-8 inches above the ground, so I am pretty sure they are not suckers, and they look like Peace foliage) had changed. The two sprouting canes that were the highest were obviously in the process of dying. The third one, lower down, looked great - dark shiny green foliage. So, I cut it off the cane immediately, and will try and root it. Hope it works! Jackie |
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| My fingers are crossed for you and I'm knocking on wood. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Thu, Oct 31, 13 at 10:05
| I am reviving this thread to tell you the next installments of the story... About a week after the above, I noticed that the shoot that was highest up on the trunk had died. Then the next one down died. The basil shoot had grown and was still alive, so I cut it off and stuck it in a pot of potting soil and put it in my rooting "greenhouse" - an upside down fish tank on our back porch, which gets good light but no direct sun. (My kitties think that on top of the fish tank is the perfect place to take a nap and/or survey the garden, so there is usually a cat on top of it). Bad news - the original bush is dead, dead, and gone. Good news - the shoot I just stuck in potting soil sprouted lots of new leaves. I know that trick, where they do that but have not yet made roots, so I have left it where it is. However, the new leaves are now pressing against the top of the fish tank, so I am going to have to move it soon - I may just ask my DH to raise up the fish tank a bit, which will let in some air and perhaps it can start to get accustomed to dryer and cooler air. He has to do it, to make sure it is still stable enough for my 14 pound kitties to perch on top of it... what a drama! I'll let you know what happens - I really want to save this old old Peace. Jackie |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Thu, Oct 31, 13 at 10:11
| Jackie, you are a true nurturer! I wish you much success (and I like the "greenhouse" idea of the old fish tank). I've got one I can adopt for that purpose. Keep us posted.... Susan |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Fri, Nov 1, 13 at 15:34
| Here is Lizzy preferring the top of the fish tank/greenhouse to a real cat bed: |
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| What humanity considers to be a cat bed and what cats consider to be a cat bed are two different things. Best of luck on that 'Peace'. |
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| Back in 1980, the year my middle sister got married, a stray black cat "conceived" on top of the fence between our house and the neighbors as we sat in the kitchen and watched "the show". A while later, she delivered five kittens in our back yard. Each had their own distinct personality. The Siamese looking one with the large brown spot on her nose became "Booger"; the smaller black and white one which didn't really express any personality except fright became "Anonymous"; there was a completely black one resembling his mom, and the runt of the litter, I named Everett. He reminded me of Sir Edward Everett Horton. The larger black and white one found an old, leaking aquarium sitting on the shelf behind the garage awaiting repair to be HIS. Even as he grew, he continued stuffing himself inside that glass aquarium. He became "Cat Fish". Eventually, all were caught, spayed and neutered and all were found homes. There were a few which would not "domesticate". They were given to people who simply wanted "ratters" and didn't care if they were personable or not. They were out of my back yard (as was their "evidence") so I was content. Kim |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Sun, Apr 6, 14 at 11:20
| A further update on this - I was able to root the very last live shoot of my old Peace as it was dying. Just planted the rooted cutting day before yesterday. My DH built it its own raised bed at the front of our garden, in what passes for full sun in my garden. Here is a pic of it in its deer cage (all of my baby roses get deer cages until they are big enough that the deer can't kill them). Question - has anyone grown an own root Peace? This is a clone of a bush we think was planted in the late 1940s. The original bush was grafted on Dr. Huey - I know, because I kept having to take off Dr. Huey suckers. The original bush was not the climbing version, but it eventually started climbing to get above the full shade as the surrounding plants grew over the decades. So, perhaps this is a climbing sport, or not? Will be fun to find out. Jackie |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 6, 14 at 11:31
| I am looking forward to seeing how your Peace does. I have a cutting that came from moms friends plant-mom was taken by how beautiful that rose was and it was not until it bloomed in our garden I realized it was probably Peace. Her friends Peace was planted in the early 50's. So far my cutting has been slow to do much but is finally doing some growing. |
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| Lovely story, heart warming story. Keep us posted.... |
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| Congratulations on getting this far, Jackie. I have been enjoying reading about your progress. Folly |
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| I don't know that there are many own root Peace out there. When it was most popular I don't believe they grew much of anything own root. Grafting was the way to go. I'll be interested in hearing your progress reports on because I'd love to get a cutting from one of these decades old plants to try myself. I'm one who believes the newer clones of it just don't compare with what I remember my Mom's looking like. |
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