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planting bands?

Posted by Debbie1776 north TX zone7 (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 31, 13 at 13:27

I've been looking but can't find much information on planting bands...do they have to be potted when they come from the nursery or can they be put directly into a well-prepared bed? What kind of soil is best to use for them? Thanks for the help - I'm rose-greedy and the bands are so dangerously affordable.....wink wink grin.


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RE: planting bands?

Debbie,

I would personally suggest potting up bands until they have the chance to establish a good root system. While some have had success planting bands directly in the ground, as a fellow Texan I would advise against it. Our weather is so unpredictable that the risk of the bands suffering a sudden scorching wind or a soggy, rainy day would be something to consider. My own band which i recently acquired is potted in a one gallon pot where it receives mainly morning sun and then a break from the afternoon heat.

Altogether, bands appreciate a nutrient rich, loose soil. Their little roots may have a difficult time pushing through more compacted varieties of soil, so I would give them plenty of room to stretch in a loose composition if they are not particularly vigorous.

Josh


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Hi Debbie,
I do the same as Josh. I had cuttings from my garden root from last Fall, and they have been in 1 gal containers since Spring. Right now they're in a shady area but get bright light and are doing great. I would think that with the lovely heat we're having now, it would be pretty chancy to try planting them in the ground. Just be sure they get enough water!

Good luck!
ogrose


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I'm out here in SoCal, but that is also my advice.

We pot bands up to 1-G.
Watch for roots coming out the bottom.
When you see that, you can pot up to 5-G -- to make a really mature plant in a few months.
OR, you can plant the 1-G (which we never do, but our garden is chaos).

The thing is -- 1-G plants are very portable. You can move them into a more sheltered location, at need. The only caution is, as noted above, make sure they get enough water.

Jeri


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Thanks y'all - I hate killing roses so I appreciate the advice.


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I'm the maverick who plants all her bands in the ground, with the exception of Laurie Annie McDowell, who deserves special handling and is in a 1-gallon pot. Other than that I plant bands only from late fall when it's already predictably cool to very early spring. In my decomposed granite roses never get waterlogged and if I had different soil I would never attempt this. I plant them with a combination of garden soil and bagged soil, water them every day, mulch them heavily and build a barrier of thorny rose branches around them. I have lost very, very few. I'm not advising anyone else to do this, especially since I'm very much in the minority with this practice, and it's very much discouraged here. I can only say it works for me, but I can't say that a rose that's been potted on several times before being put in the ground might not do better. Laurie in her pot is certainly not going great guns but she has a reputation for being a slow rose.

Ingrid


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Like Ingrid, my bands go directly into the ground. But since we have real winters here, I plant only the hardiest (rugosas, gallicas) in the fall.


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I don't babysit. Bands are immediately planted in the ground.


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  • Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
    Sun, Sep 1, 13 at 0:34

I'm overly cautious and wait to plant either 2 gal or 5 gal making sure the roots are coming out the bottom so the rootball will be intact when getting the plant out of the pot.

Planting bands is not for the faint of heart like me.

Diane


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RE: I've been looking

"I've been looking but can't find much information on planting bands..."

This is an amazing statement to make when a thread on the topic was on the first page of this forum when you posted.

It still is. You didn't see it? (link below)

More amazing is all the responses here with the existence of the other thread. I guess folks don't realize how much more difficult information is to find when it is too many places.

On the other hand, maybe they realize that precise thing. One never knows.

I compare it to library reference books - there may be an old book that is the only source of some specific information, out of circulation and unavailable on the market, and held in a library but categorized as reference - so the only way to read it is to travel to that library and read it there.

I wonder how most people find this forum. I also wonder how people can be internet savvy enough to post on a forum but not know how to use a search feature or search engine.

These comments are not directed at you specifically, Debbie1776, but your post is a great example of my point.

Here is a link that might be useful: How do you Overwinter Bands or 1 Gallons in Pots?


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That's not really the same question.


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I don't in the least mind answering a question that is similar to an earlier question.

Navigating forums isn't ALWAYS straightforward. No harm, no foul.

Ask away.

Jeri


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I guess I need to clarify my point. Indeed, the phrasing of the questions in the two threads mentioned here are NOT the same.

The information provided as answers, however, is very similar.

BUT if one compares the two threads, the information provided in this one absolutely PALES in comparison to the quantity of specific information in the linked thread.

I, for one, post primarily to be as fully helpful as possible when answering a question from a novice.

If novices can't be expected to ALWAYS navigate a forum, what prevents the experienced folk who have answered the question before from linking to the earlier thread with their answer? Or to a valuable previous thread containing more information?

If you, like me, are SINCERE in your desire to help novices and others alike, then please consider my point about "too much information," and how you can help remedy this by linking to existing threads with good information or with the same answers you would resubmit.

I can tell you from experience that posting links is very simple. Folks post photos, the links can't be anywhere near as difficult because, for example, I can do it.

This post was edited by sandandsun on Sun, Sep 1, 13 at 13:35


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S&S, I'm sure you don't mean to, but you sometimes come across as arrogant, and it is hurtful to other people.


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Individual Control and Responsibility

This is a good time to address this issue, I suppose.

Fact is, only the individual has control and responsibility for how an individual reacts and feels. This is also true of how an individual perceives the written word which doesn't have a voice providing the tones that tell us how it is meant. As experienced members of an online community, we are supposed to understand these things and first question how we are reading a post. Are we imposing OUR interpretation on the post rather than hearing the author's intent?

And just as significant a question: is diverting the topic to feelings avoiding the real issue at hand?

Anyone who has read my posts should by now understand foremost and very clearly that I am sincere. I am sincere in my attempts to be helpful and sincere in all that I post here. I also sincerely oppose bad behavior and rudeness as I have demonstrated.

I attempt to assist the novice and everyone I can because I want America to truly be America the beautiful in every sense of the phrase.

All my posts, just as anyone else's, are available through the search feature (link below).

A study of mine reveals my sincerity - it isn't a case of "one never knows" with me. My motives are pretty clear.


Now, let us remember the point of my post which is encouraging the use of links to older threads and why this is a good thing.

Here is a link that might be useful: SandandSun On this forum

This post was edited by sandandsun on Sun, Sep 1, 13 at 17:54


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All my posts

And on the Roses Forum:

Here is a link that might be useful: SandandSun On the Roses Forum


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Again, thank you to all who offered me their bits of gardening wisdom. I had read the other thread, about overwintering bands, but it didn't answer my question about why it seemed bands had to be potted up for several months before being put in the ground. This thread does.
SandandSun, while I do appreciate your concern for all the uninformed newbies like myself, just learning to penetrate the thorny maze of forum threads, please open a new thread to discuss such topics. I would prefer that you don't divert this thread from it's original topic...planting bands.


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Point well made, Debbie.


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Well said, Debbie, and I agree with you 100%. By the way, welcome to the forum! Usually it's a very friendly place, with some very knowledgeable rose people freely sharing their knowledge with the rest of us.

I don't know where you're located, but I live in Carrollton, and will be taking cuttings later this Fall. Email me if you're interested in rooting!
ogrose


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Debbie1776,
Understood. I apologize for the "diverting."
My original statement that my comments were not directed at you but that the thread was a good example for my point was also sincere - a sincere apology beforehand.
Nonetheless, I apologize for hijacking your thread for my point. I'll try to remember this in the future.

Best wishes for successful rose growing.


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I am experimenting with some different soil recipes for planting bands in. If anyone has any favorite combinations for planting, would be fun to hear about them and what you fertilize with.
Judith


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