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The Big Picture?

Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on
Wed, Sep 11, 13 at 0:09

While pushing 100's of loads of woodchips etc up the hill, I have had some time to consider what is the big picture of a garden.

Just what is important to you?

Is it a vase full of perfect roses? The tallest fruit trees in town? The best looking leaves? The most of one kind of fruit/flower? Enough veggies for your family? The prettiest yard on the street? The greenest lawn? Is it healthy soil that can grow most anything easily?

A photo some one posted, not on this forum, really sparked some thought for me. It was a photo of some beautiful flowers, but what struck me was not the flowers, but how sad the dirt behind it looked. Was it missing the forest for the trees? Just how much chemical intervention was required for those flowers out of that poor dirt.

We have spent an incredible amount of time working with our dirt to make it in to a good growing soil. Dirt that needed a hammer to break clods has become soil that crumbles and grew vast amounts of veggies in the past couple of years. I know I did not put that kind of effort in to the soil for the roses. Kind of interesting to me I guess, that I valued them differently than veggies. Makes me wonder what the roses would have looked like if I had put that effort in to them.

It could have been the heat, or sore muscles that had me wondering about what my ultimate goal in the garden is (or just why it seemed like a good idea at the time to spread all those chips) And that we are having an open garden to celebrate what would have been dads 100th b-day and moms upcoming 90th in what was/is their pride and joy, the garden.


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What matters most to me is the sound, scent and feel of throbbing LIFE in my yard. So, my yard is not neat and clean, alas, but I share with birds, a huge swallowtail who visits the zinnias, a family of Eastern garter snakes (mouse patrol), frogs and singing crickets (playing their "small guitars"). Good soil and vegetables for the table are also important. I consider weeds a crop to be turned into next year's compost.


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Right now, I would settle for anything that didnt look fried by the sun and heat. Yesterday, the humidity was a little lower, and I managed to work outside for two hours straight. That's the longest time I've been able to stand it for several months.


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Great question!
I've never been competitive in the yard game (or really any other game LOL) biggest, best, etc. none of those superlatives are sought in my garden.
I think for me what matters most is that it provides decent habitat for critters, has running water, tinkling wind chimes, and is aesthetically pleasing to me.
Aesthetically pleasing to me requires emphasis on all the senses but taste. I don't grow anything here that I eat (other than herbs). My space is too small to give up my ornamentals.
Scent is extremely important to me.
I hope to have a cutting bed of fragrant no spray roses so I can bring scent indoors.
I'm working hard to maintain a healthy soil and ecosystem here.
When I'm not working in the garden I sit and listen to the fountain and watch the butterflies and birds (have a couple of hummingbirds now) AND a mouse! It's peaceful and soothing to me out there. My mind just gets in a zone.
It would be nice if others enjoyed it like I do but it's not important to me to please others with my garden.
It's odd but until my Dad and Aunt got sick this spring and passed away I never really realized that gardening is a family tradition. I found photos of my backyard in 1928.
My grandmother grew dahlias and entered them in the State Fair. My grandfather grew roses and vegetables.
My mom has a small perennial garden she enjoys and her mother enjoyed gardening in Texas.
I'm not much of an "outdoors woman" but I guess my garden is how I commune with nature and a place that is an outward expression of what I believe is good inside of myself...
Susan


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A garden is an art form like architecture, painting, music, etc., although it is seldom taken as seriously. Moreover, a garden can engage all five senses and encompasses time as well and a garden is LIFE to which I am ever drawn. It is therefore more complex and also more complete, in a sense (and quite likely the most difficult art form). So my garden is a creative expression, an attempt to create something aesthetically pleasing to me with living material. Now contrast that ideal with bugs, dirt, and weeds, which are also part of a garden, and you have some idea of the everlasting joy and frustration of gardening, and, I guess, life.

It also is an outlet for my everlasting curiosity.

Cath


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Mine is to create a space away from the frantic everyday life, a place where people can take a breath and enjoy being outdoors for the sake of the outdoors. My roses are a way for me to shift my mind from the mundane tasks I have which are constantly soliciting my attention and take in the beauty of the natural world. This may involve priming the soil, toiling in the weeds, and shaping bushes. But in the end the beauty makes it worth the effort.


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My big picture and ultimate goal is to create beauty in a style that pleases me so that I can come home from work and drink in the loveliness and peace. Couple this with the activity of the birds, bees, butterflies, and squirrels; as I watch them I begin to relax and smile. Such wonderful therapy!


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Josh and Lou did remind me of the serenity a garden brings and of a story: In the early days of our marriage DH and I had a spat. As I was leaving the house, DH asked me where I was going. My reply was that I was going out to the garden to pinch the boxwood because it put me good mood. I can't tell you how many times I have been jokingly invited to "pinch the boxwood" since then.

Cath


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Wed, Sep 11, 13 at 14:57

My big picture is that it's MY place. It doesn't matter if it's weedy or spotty or no one else likes it. It's mine and I do love it. I can go out and putter around to my hearts content and shuck all the cares of the rest of the world. Haven!


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For me it’s all about my bubble. I have a relatively small social bubble and don’t let people in easily. I’m new to roses, only my second year. I started this by accident as I only wanted a few flowers around my patio. I live in a subdivision of a small city (17k people), but I’m fortunate enough to have two acres against a river bank. I plant all my rose bushes in the back of my house around the patio where I feel I am in my bubble when tending or enjoying them.
If we have friends over I have no problem spending time on the patio and “in” my bubble for a pleasant visit.
I don’t consider it a rose garden yet as my plants are immature, but I’m looking forward to adding nice healthy rose bushes to my bubble. The foliage is just as important as the flowers for me.
Arnold


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a space to grow things, essentially. Although I am as keen on beauty and harmony as the next person, this is not likely to occur in any of my gardens because there are far too many plants to grow. Roses, while enduring longer than most, are essentially one of many, many plants I either have grown, do grow or would like to grow....and unfortunately, all my gardens are subservient to this desire to just grow things - every surface is filled with seedlings, every space is a bit of a mish-mash which changes too often to achieve either serenity or even cohesion. So, overall, not really any sort of big picture, just a lot of smaller, changing ones.
Current craze - lathyrus species.


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When I was younger my greatest passion was to roam the high mountain wilderness in many places west of the Rockies and that satisfied a deep need in my soul. Later on health constraints forced me to give that up, and I believe my garden, which fortunately is set in a somewhat "wild" hilly area, is there to satisfy that same type of yearning, a communion with wild and natural things, both plant and animal. My garden is not pristine or perfect, but there are many living things in it that I'm very close to, whether it be a baby bunny resting a few feet from my front door or an amazingly beautiful and many-petalled old pink rose. I think beauty in all its forms is what gives me joy, and of all the ornamental plants I can grow for me the old roses have everything that I think of as beautiful which makes them worthy of being the central part, although by no means the only part, of a garden that to me is a sort of paradise, while yet maintaining a sense of cohesiveness and unity with the surrounding wilder landscape, and a refuge for all the wild creatures who come here to seek food, water and shelter in "our garden".

Ingrid


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  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Wed, Sep 11, 13 at 22:14

Before I started my garden back in Franklin Square on Long Island (NY), I was keeping a "garden" inside -- and under water. I had a 75 gallon planted freshwater aquarium. I used some interesting pieces of driftwood and lots of plants to create a background and environment for the (mostly) small and colorful fish (and freshwater shrimp, and a couple of tiny dwarf African frogs) that lived in there.

From across the room, you'd first notice the basic green of the plants glowing under the strong lights. As you got closer, you'd say "oh, there's fish in there" which made you go even closer and start examining the smaller parts of the whole. You'd see the pair of angel fish first, then the four blue gouramis. Then you'd notice the smaller cardinal tetras darting about at the mid-layer. That's when you'd also see the subtle beauty of color, texture and form provided by the driftwood with attached moss and ferns. Get in really close and you'd see tiny red shrimp picking around in the moss on the wood, and in the mulm at the bottom of the tank. Perhaps you'd gasp when the "branch" suddenly darted clumsily across the aquarium, and I'd tell you that that's my royal twig catfish.

The point is that the goal of my aquarium was to provide interest from different perspectives -- from far away, it was mostly a soothing glowing tapestry of green and some hints of other color. But you'd also keep finding more as you looked more closely, because there were many layers of life teeming about in there. And that's how I like putting together my backyard garden -- pleasantly attractive from afar without being glaring, and inviting you for closer inspection. This is why virtually all the roses I picked are very fragrant, but the color scheme I'm going for is mostly cool colors with some soft yellow, apricot, and peachy-pink mixed in.

To me, backyards are about wandering around and finding things interesting if you're in the mood to look for them, but also for relaxing and sitting back without anything being too strong of an eye-distraction. In contrast, front yards can get away with being like neon signs -- catching the eyes of passersby who don't have invitations to investigate more closely. When I lived in Franklin Square, the front yard bed was of a tropical theme -- two big Musa basjoo bananas formed the centerpieces, with strong-colored annuals and perennials filling in, and three big Artemesia spilling over the raised concrete bed. Flowers of bright gold-orange, red and yellow went there. But the back yard was much more subtle.

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Where I am now, I don't have much of a front yard at all, so I'm not doing any tropical looks or loud colors at all. I have 'Jaune Desprez' trained to climb the Japanese maple, 'Souvenir du Dr. Jamain' to climb my white porch railing, and a few small roses to form further "bones" out there, to be accompanied by other cool-colored perennials.

The back yard is not huge, either, but I'm taking advantage of all the "surface-area" of the fence, deck, garage, etc. by cloaking them with climbing roses, and then further using them as trellises for future clematis. The other roses will be the skeleton for the beds, but no single plant is meant to be the "star" of the garden. As with my former aquarium, the backyard will be something to appear subtly pretty from afar, and ever more interesting and beautiful (and fragrant!) with closer inspection. And for me, having something requiring frequent but simple tending is a much-desired calming activity.

I do miss my aquarium. After an overnight filter disaster left everything dead in the morning, I had to break it all down. This happened about the time I was considering going back to school, so the tank was never repopulated, and I gave it away when I moved to Buffalo. I don't have any room for an aquarium that size where I am now, but I do look forward to starting one again in a few years when I move on. If you're on Facebook, you can see a photo album I have of my aquarium, taken at various times over the years, showing how it evolved as plants grew, or when I felt like a change.

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: My old 75 gallon tank


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Christopher that's amazing! Did you have a carbon dioxide system with that. I was thinking of getting one for my tank. Its 60 gallons and has about half as many plants since my fish like more open water. I get the 2 dollar small tetras and let them grow. They are so old now and they are not slowing down. I used to have beautiful big congo tetras when the tank was new, but these need to be in a big school because they get territorial and bully the others when there are just a few left.

The tank I always liked was a big cube with a terrarium in the center. A huge school of 100+ neon tetras swam around and around. It was fantastic to watch. I also love the split level tanks that have a waterfall cascading over rocks or wood. Gardening in a fish tank is fun.

What is the big picture in my garden? I suppose it is the happiness of each plant being where it grows best. The tall ones in back and the short ones in front. Fussy plants in pots that can be moved into shade or sun depending on the weather. And I like spaces that change. I like to use bricks and flagstones and pavers to make paths and then tear it all up and move the path somewhere else. A little soft green lawn exists and then becomes a flowerbed. Arches and trellises go up and come down. Its like a stage where there are permanent trees and walls and everything else moves around. I like to bring the potted plants into the house and the furniture out in the garden for a party. I like flexibility and creative frivolity in my garden.


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Christopher, your aquarium was beautiful.


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  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Wed, Sep 11, 13 at 23:12

Kittymoonbeam -- no carbon dioxide setup was used because I didn't have very high lighting (4x 55-watt compact fluorescent bulbs, if I remember correctly), and didn't use plants that required either. The fish generated all the carbon dioxide in the tank, and to keep it from bubbling out, I kept the filter-return below the surface of the water to reduce agitation while the lights were on. Every night, when I turned off the lights, I slid the filter-return above the water surface, because that's when the plants stop putting out oxygen, and I didn't want the fish to suffocate.

And that's a part of how everything died. One night, the filter conked out, so the fish and the plants competed for oxygen. Plus without oxygen running through the canister filter, all the bacteria in there died and polluted the water. Lesson learned -- rather than rely on just one big canister, ALWAYS run at least two per large tank (either two medium, or one large and one small).

My dream-tank will be over 200 gallons and feature discus, along with live plants and some schooling tetras, shrimp, etc. I already have my list of plants and companion-critters which I researched that will do well in the conditions discus require -- just waiting until I'm ready to start it, even if it isn't for ten years....

:-)

~Christopher


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Christopher...your tank was amazing. I could just imagine sitting in a dark room just gazing into its beauty. It is a wonderful way to de-stress. Thanks for sharing these pics
lesley


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  • Posted by subk3 7a/Mid TN (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 13, 13 at 11:20

For me The Big Picture is all about Process.

Sometimes that process is a physical thing. Much like a gestural artist/action painter like Jackson Pollock where the end product expresses the physical action involved in creating the painting--slinging, throwing, dripping paint, my garden is an expression of the physicality I undertook in creating it--digging, weeding, trimming plants. (Although, I am no Pollock!)

Sometimes the process is simply watching nature as a brilliant dynamic creation of the God I believe in, moving and evolving it what seems to be such a pre-ordained manner.

For me the big picture has almost nothing to do with a finish product that meets some visual standard that I have conjured up in my head.


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I love this post! I think all these responses should be collected into a book. It inspired me this morning to pot most of the plants sitting on the front porch that were there "in waiting" - they are inappropriate for that spot, and not perfect (gaura getting dry, thyme, roses) but I like them and they make me happy. I like their scent and the way the light hits them. And when I sit out there with my coffee and a book, I feel like the luckiest person in the world and am grateful for the beauty around me. And that's what the big picture is for me, curiosity, but mostly a profound sense of gratitude.

This post was edited by Annalyssa on Sat, Sep 14, 13 at 13:31


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Wow what a good question. Fragrance matters, but I love my little scentless Peach Drift roses cause they're just so darn pretty. I think The Big Picture is that it has to make me happy. I began my garden a few weeks after my husband died a year ago April...the original containers were an old wheelbarrow, an ice chest and an igloo cooler, because that's what I had that would hold dirt and I could knock a hole in by myself. I'm up to 16 roses now and raised beds rather than containers, but I built every one by myself out of scrap materials found on my property. If it doesn't give me that glow it goes.


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I love all the replies!

It has been an interesting few days.

Yesterday dad would have been 100. As luck has it some people he used to know 20 years ago stopped by (guess they some how thought he would still be raising bees and selling honey) I discovered just how far from garden visitor ready I am! I need to remove every over ripe orange off the trees cause even telling some one who "knew all about oranges cause she has 2 trees" can not tell that an old shriveled orange at the top of a tree is not going to be tasty. Even after being told several times not to eat it, it might get eaten and while pointing out the location of the trash can, they might try and spit that nastiness out in your hand. (Note to self, need lots of signs)

I need more locks on the chicken coop. Because even people with chickens who are told "No you can not go in the coop" do not understand "Bio-security"

It is a good thing when we can see how far we have come, and an enlightening thing when we see just how far we have to go.

Today, I helped a neighbor pick some pomegranates before the varmints eat them and completely enjoyed her butterfly garden. Only 20 or 30 of them today, but what a treat! And all the little birds enjoying her bird fountain.

(Note to self need bird fountain asap!)

Happy Gardening!


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I would say that I have to main big pictures/wants:
- I enjoy when I am in the yard appreciating the fragrance and beauty of the flowers. Ie, their details up close are valuable to me when I am in the yard.

- when I am inside my house, I realize the value in a big healthy looking bush, not just a spindly thing with a couple perfect flowers on them.


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