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| I am looking for a climber and was admiring Cecile Brunner and can't really seem to find information about it pertaining to my climate, and when I look at websites selling it there are anywhere from 3 to 6 different roses listed underneath that name!! Slightly confusing since i don't know much about this rose. Could someone please help me straighten it all out??? First I am looking for the Cecil brunner that is pictured on the link below so which one of the many Cecile's do I want?? Also how does it stand up to humidity and rain? I live on the Ohio river in kind of a bubble as far as weather goes. I have been living here for almost 5 years and I have rarely seen it get colder than 28-30 degrees and that only stays very briefly. Would this rose make it here and thrive or languish for want of a nicer climate. My biggest enemies are blackspot and ...... Blackspot!! I love the look of the rose but I don't wish to waste my time or money on something that won't work. Thanks for any advice! Grace e http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.117483 |
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| That would be the climbing version of Cecile Brunner. Some Old Garden roses have two versions: the bush version and the climbing version. For Cecile Brunner, her climbing version only blooms once a year. This would be in late spring-early summer. She will put out these masses of roses as you see in the picture, but once this is over she will cease to bloom until the next year. I have seen it reported that she often will not bloom at all until she reaches her mature size. What size that may vary by climate, so it could be possible that you are waiting one or two years before you even see this sort of blooming known as a "spring flush." The climbing version is also what we here at GardenWeb like to call a "house eater." This means that it is extremely vigorous and will become quite large in a short period of time. Because of this one needs to exercise good judgement when deciding what kind of structure she will climb. That picture you linked us to belongs to a gardener who had Cecile Brunner take out the first metal structure she was on because the rose got so large and heavy. The normal Cecile Brunner bush is an Earth-kind rose, meaning it is a no maintenance, disease resistant, drought tolerant, heat resistant, good bloomer. However, I cannot say the same about the climbing version since it is not listed as Earth-kind. This may be because it does not have these qualities, or it may simply be because no trials have been run on the climbing version. If none of this sounds appealing to you, perhaps you may tell us what sort of rose you are looking for and we could point you in the right direction? Regards and welcome, Josh |
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- Posted by melodyinz8a none (My Page) on Wed, Sep 18, 13 at 10:05
| A friend gave me her climbing Cecile Brunner from heirloom roses. It repeats all summer. I was under the impression that the remontant version was a house eater also. I have it and Darlows Enigma planted in front of a large woodshed that I want "eaten." Darlows took off and covered half the shed in two seasons, blooms like crazy and needs no water during summer! I may have to dig up Cecile if she won't perform like Darlows for me. |
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| The original 'Mademoiselle Cécile Brünner' is a densely-twiggy, nicely-upright BUSH. In CA, where it is everywhere, it can reach 6-ft. or so -- if you live that long. :-) Most-often, it's seen at about 4 feet, and it is indeed continuous-blooming. It does not climb. 'Mademoiselle Cécile Brünner, Cl.' is a climbing sport of the original bush. It does, as noted above, bloom in the spring. It can be somewhat remontant in a cool, coastal climate. It is, indeed a powerful "house-eater." There are, in addition to those, other sports, there is: 'Spray Cécile Brunner,' another bush-form sport, Jeri |
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| My neighbor grows Spray Cecille Brunner' on the side of a shed and it has grown to be c. 10 feet tall. It blooms fully here, in spring, summer and fall with huge clusters of fragrant blooms. It has a longer bloom cycle than the Mlle. C. B. form from 1881. I grow the original form 'Mlle. Cecille Brunner' 1881 which is easily kept to c. 5 feet tall. I also have the climbing form which I love as a foliage plant in addition to it blooming once a year. It really is a lush beauty. But if I had room only for one form I would chose 'Spray Cecille Brunner' because it blooms so often, and in such a wonderfully fragrant, beautiful profusion of those darling dainty pink roses. I've also seen Spray Cecille Brunner used as a hedge which spread 8 feet long and kept neatly pruned to c. 4 feet high. Cecille Brunner is the rose I've loved the longest, for fifty years and more. Lux |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Thu, Sep 19, 13 at 0:09
| Melody, I wonder if you may not have 'Spray Cecile Brunner' as others have described here. It's almost identical to the original contained shrub except that it gets 8'-10' tall. It's not unusual for the different forms of CB to be confused in commerce, since as babies they all look the same. Here in Italy CB is often (too often) 'Spray Cecile Brunner', while the original is hard to find. Last year I think I finally got my hands on the true variety after repeated failures. Fortunately the tall shrub form is a marvelous rose; I say fortunately since I have it all over the garden. All the Cecile Brunners root easily. Melissa |
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- Posted by melodyinz8a none (My Page) on Thu, Sep 19, 13 at 23:11
| Well Grace are you going for any of the Cecile varieties? I'm going to move mine. I've ordered Renae from Burlington nursery to plant in front of my shed next spring. It should be a good match since it's thornless and we'll be walking past it all the time. |
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| I grow Cl Cecile in a climate similar to yours. I wouldn't describe her as a house eater, compared to some of my ramblers, but she nicely covers a pergola. She is fairly blackspot resistant and I do get some fall rebloom, and that seems to increase just a bit each year. If you want more continuous bloom--and more fragrance--you might try Mrs. Alfred Carrier, which is to the right in the photo, climbing the garage. |
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- Posted by jeannie2009 PNW 7/8 (My Page) on Sat, Sep 21, 13 at 9:50
| I probably have Spray Cecile. She was planted June 2012. She is now 3' tall and 3' wide. She is seldom without bloom. I'm hoping she gets to 6' tall. She is on a west facing wall so gets only a limited amount of sun but tons of horse manure. |
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