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Mon, Sep 23, 13 at 6:48
| Does anybody know the Delbard roses... Chartreuse de Parme, La Rose de Molinard, La Rose de Petit Prince, Raymond Blanc and the climber Papi Delbard? Strawberry Hill told me that she finds Delbard roses to do well in the heat, but I don't know about these particular roses. I cannot find the ones she mentioned, but I can get these Delbard roses. Does anyone with a hot, dry summer grow them. Thanks. Daisy |
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| Don't know about the heat, but I just saw La Rose de Petit Prince grown in both the Bagatelle and Roseraie de l"Hay in Paris. |
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| Chicago heat is quite humid, rather than dry. Several people on this forum have recommended Papi D. Can't remember who, though. |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Tue, Sep 24, 13 at 14:55
| I love the Delbard roses, though my climate is different from yours. We get hot dry summers (90-100F for weeks at a time) but we also get cold winters. I love Papi Delbard, and its form and habits are relatively similar to the apricot climber Polka, with somewhat more flexible canes on Papi. It's not a tremendously frequent bloomer, but those large fluffy apricot blooms are well worth the wait for me. I also have Chartreuse de Parme, and it's more pink than lavender for me, particularly in the heat. I have Delbards that I like better for rebloom and depth of color, as this one tends to be an unremarkable medium to light pink, but it's a worthy rose. I had some initial trouble getting this one to overwinter, but that shouldn't be a problem for you. It might appreciate some afternoon shade if you can, however. If you get the chance for bushes like Dame des Chenonceau or climbers like Nahema or the wonderful painter series (any and all of those striped wonders), I highly recommend them. Cynthia |
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Fri, Sep 27, 13 at 2:06
| Thank-you all. I also e-mailed Delbard roses in France asking them the same question. I was very annoyed at their reply. Apart from two short sentences giving cultural tips for all roses, they simply told me that if I needed anymore technical information, I would have to ring their advisers at ?? euros a minute. It is not the cost of the call that annoys me. It is the fact that they withheld the information that I asked for, to make me use their money making telephone line. Perhaps I will look at renaissance roses instead. Having said that, Cynthia, I looked up Dame des Chenonceau and Nahema and I have fallen in love. Are they strongly scented? Daisy |
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| Nahema is insanely perfumed...but is, I am afraid, leaving my garden on account of persistent die back, uneven and gracelessly stiff habits (a climber? - I think not) and horrible ugly foliage. It isn't the unyielding stiff canes which annoy me because Meg, grown nearby, has similar (but a hugely generous single summer flush), it is the uneven distribution of large yet brittle canes and parsimonious amount of blooms (after 4 years in FULL sun). For sure, a single bloom of that silvery-pink is lovely and the fragrance is to die for.....but. A few years ago, one of the larger garden companies like T&M or maybe Unwins, were heavily promoting Delbard roses - a couple of people I know bought a set (the painter series and Papi Delbard) but they are/were complete rubbish in a damp and cool English summer. However....in Crete? I also grow a few renaissance roses which, as a group, are all very tall (6-7feet), very stoutly upright (almost like a fastigiate yew in profile with blooms somewhat out of reach or sight) and horribly predisposed to blackspot (at least in my allotment). However, they do produce very good flowers for cutting and have a reliable, if delayed, rebloom (a second flush just coming along now). The sort of plant which makes a good freestanding specimen but assorts less well with others, especially those of a looser, more tumbling habit. |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Fri, Sep 27, 13 at 23:47
| Both Dame des Chenonceau and Nahema have enough scent that I can smell them, which given my terrible nose means they're highly scented. Mine don't blackspot as much as campanula reports in England, but we have relatively dry hot summers. I expect that with damp and cool they'd sulk quite a bit, but I agree that Crete is rather a different matter and they'd likely do well. I wouldn't say they blackspot any more than the average Austin, and I think they'd do well in your yard. I also have (or had) several Renaissance roses and I'm desperately seeking a US source of my beloved Bella Renaissance. She was the star of my hot sun bed and bloomed large lemon yellow fluffy roses all summer. As Camps said, they tend to be tall specimen roses, but Bella happened to be central and in front of even bigger roses (Queen of Sweden and some climbers), so it was a great combination. Claire Renaissance and Bonita Renaissance are similarly tall - six feet or more in my zone, even with winters. The apricot of Bonita is quite lovely if you enjoy that color, and she might appreciate some afternoon shade in your climate. I've attached a picture to tempt you on that one. Basically, those are two of my favorite rose "families" and I'm sure you'd enjoy any or all of the ones you bring home. Just give 'em room. Cynthia |
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| daisyincrete, are roses from either Guillot, the Generosa series, or from Barni of Italy available to you. Both those groups look quite beautiful and ought to thrive in a hot climate with mulch and enough water, I found in CA, that winter irrigation can help a lot in keeping roses alive through the hot summer. |
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| I grow an own-root Nahema in Sydney. The cutting I grew it from rooted ver y easily and has made itself at home on part of my back fence. I can't remember when I planted it there - probably one and a half years ago. I'm attaching a photo I took of it 2 minutes ago. I've already cut its one flower for the vase, but it's got a lot of buds. By the way, I find it easy to espalier, but decided to let it have a short bushy bit at the front. |
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| Here's a pic of one Nahema flower in a vase with some Onkaparinga flowers. |
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| mmm, Nahema, after 4 years, still looks uncannily like yours, rross...despite getting far more TLC than any of my other, less finicky roses.....so is absolutely destined for compost (since it also looks as though I could probably dig it out using a toothpick)....unlike my horrible rennaisance roses (I also have Claire, Phillippa and Ghita) which, whatever else is said about them, fragility is not ever going to be mentioned - they are stout as oaks. I have certainly strode forward, spade in hand, to confront their terrible July decline but feel anything less than a chainsaw would be laughable....and so, year on year, they remain, in their vast horror (although for a week or so in June, I feel faintly more forgiving) |
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| Hi Campanula My own-root Nahema is healthier and more vigorous than its grafted parent. Why don't you take a cutting and see if you have more luck with that? |
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| Well hey, rross, thanks for the heads up - I will certainly give it a go as the blooms are lovely with exceptional fragrance. |
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| Please let me know how you go with it! |
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| Nahema has just started its Spring flush in my garden. It was hard to get a clear pic of the flowers, but I think you can get the idea. Some people can smell the flowers from a distance but I have to stick my nose right in them. |
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