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| I know that some of you folks have a fondness for found roses, and why wouldn't you? Somewhere in your miscellany of unnamed beauties, though, do you think you could have one of the 24 missing Pemberton roses- twelve of which are listed at the link below? Or maybe all 24 are listed, and my browser's only showing me the first half? The missing Pembertons aren't all Hybrid Musk Roses, BTW... Virginia |
Here is a link that might be useful: Missing Pemberton roses link
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| Is there more than just the one page of his roses they grow? I can't find a way to view other pages and the total of the grown and missing roses doesn't encompass all fifty of his roses. This is one reason I have attempted to keep I Zingari in cultivation. It is a hybrid Foetida he raised which is now classed as a Hybrid Tea. Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pemberton roses
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| The one I wish someone would find is Pemberton's 'Galatea', which sounds like a most interesting and worthwhile rose! |
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| Kim, I could only see half of the 24 roses that are supposed to be missing. I guess they have a few wrinkles to iron out, but I like the idea of trying to find the roses, and have a sort of repository garden for all those great roses. I also like the idea of having a rose garden- or a garden of any sort- at a hospice facility, so the garden is multi-tasking, so to speak. I think all but two of my 'rescue roses' are floribunda hedge roses. Not of much historic significance, but charming, and a good learning experience. So I'm pinning my hopes of having a lost Pemberton on those last two plants which look very much like each other. 'I Zingary' is pretty cool, but I do have a bit of a thing for those Pernetiana types. One of these days... If HMF is only counting the Pemberton roses he released before he died, and this rose garden is looking for his roses that were released posthumously, could that account for the numbers not adding up? I think I counted 70 roses (both accounted for and lost) at the rose garden site, but a number of them were credited to Bentall... Forget about this New Math, and these crazy kids with their Rock and Roll better get off my lawn... Virginia |
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| I'm not sure how they're figuring it. I do know the I Zingari they are growing in Europe does not match the illustrations of the rose from the twenties and thirties. The one WE grow, does. I also know its provenance. Forrest Hieatt, who bred several roses, only Flame of Love remaining of his offerings, was a member of the Men's Garden Club of Southern California. They are the group responsible for selecting the amazing array of tropical and semi tropical street trees in Los Angeles and San Diego, possibly elsewhere, also. He knew everyone in the ARS and rose industry. He grew this and many other older modern roses, which he shared with Jim Kirk, who was the last rosarian at Rose Hills Cemetery in Whittier, CA. Jim brought I Zingari and many others with him from his garden in Poway, CA, and planted them at Rose Hills. It was from Rose Hills I was permitted to take cuttings of I Zingari, propagate them, get it planted at The Huntington and begin spreading it around to anyone and everyone who would grow and sell it again. What's grown in Europe is rather double. I Zingari is not. Kim |
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| odinthor, yes to 'Galatea', please. And I wouldn't mind 'J H Pemberton', either- I'm guessing it's one he bred, but was released after his death by Mr. Bentall? I would not say no to 'I Zingari', but it only seems to be sold in Germany... Actually, I hate to sound indiscriminate, but I like most of Pemberton's roses that I've seen. Virginia |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 7, 14 at 12:58
| Kim Do you have photos of your 'I Zingari'? I only see the Euro photos of it on HMF and since yours is not at double it would be interesting to see the difference. The set of photos from Georgia (USA) seem to show it has a single |
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| Stephen Hoy's photos from Georgia are more in keeping with what it looks like here, though the pigments are much more saturated and intense here. I have twenty-plus year old slides I have to get scanned. Nothing prior to about four years ago is digitized. After 1994, I stopped photographing everything until moving all the roses to Encino. I even stopped pollen pimping for a number of years, then got "the bug" again. I bought a scanner years ago for that purpose and never got the hang of the blamed thing, but it's also in a box in the garage, just like all the thousands of slides, and the projector. Let me see what I can do... Kim |
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| This is a topic I am very interested in, as I love most of his roses that are still in commerce. There are several that aren't lost, but very rare. Vintage Gardens had Callisto, which I never was able to snag the few times they offered it for sale. There's one called Ceres that's for sale in Europe (Lens), but I don't think it's available in the states. It would be really cool to rediscover some of the lost one listed. -Chris |
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| I was out digging in old rose books this afternoon as I remember an illustration of I Zingari in one of them. I couldn't find the image, but this is the description of it in Roses in Colour and Cultivation, by Mansfield, 1943. Kim |
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| Kim there is a very nice illustration on HMF |
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| Thanks, True, there is also another I've seen in another book. It's just remembering WHERE I saw it over the past thirty-plus years! Kim |
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| Kim, I think you posted a picture of it here within the last two years. Cath |
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| I did a search on Gardenweb but couldn't find anything. However, I found two photos on HMF. Here is one and here is the other. . Plus the bud below. |
Here is a link that might be useful: I Zingari bud on Pemberton site
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| Double-check me to see if I'm wrong, but it looks like the whole list of missing Pemberton roses is displaying now? Virginia |
Here is a link that might be useful: Missing Pemberton Roses
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| I did. They're the same as before, sorry :-) The photos were for 5, Dorina Neave, Miriam, Pearl, Rosala and the Adjutant. |
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| Hmmm- it sounds like you were seeing the whole list before if you saw 'Pearl', 'Rosala' and 'The Adjutant'. I could only see the list up to the 'M' names before and then nada, zilch nuthin'. I'm guessing the missing photos won't show up until someone finds the others to photograph... Those Found Rose aficianados had best get busy... Virginia |
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