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| Does anyone recognize this lovely rose? These photos were taken 6 months apart, so the first clue is that it isn't a once-bloomer. I seem to recollect that it's lightly fragrant, but wouldn't care to swear to it. From what I know about the lady who planted it, my best guess is that this is probably an OGR, and it is doing quite well in a large pot in part sun in the SC Lowcountry. I haven't seen any roses that look quite like this one, so if you have any pointers, I'd love to hear about 'em.
I know I need to get some photos of foliage, prickles, hips, etc., but maybe you're already thinking to yourself that you know this rose? I can take some more photos soon. This is one of those roses that belongs to a friend, but that I'm trying to grow from cuttings... Many thanks for any help you can provide, |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Sun, Sep 21, 14 at 13:14
| When you take more pics, try to get some of unopened buds, and partially opened blooms. Jackie |
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- Posted by pat_bamaZ7 7 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 21, 14 at 13:35
| Maybe Souvenir de St Anne? |
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| How big are the flowers? I'm thinking maybe it's some kind of Noisette, if the flowers are small and come in clusters (I see leaves and unopened buds in the pics which resemble my 'R. moschata'). Do you recall the type of fragrance? What about the general habit of the plant? :-) ~Christopher |
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| Jackie, I'll try to get more informative photos. I did find a few more pix, but no good looks at buds. I don't know my roses classes too well, but the flower reminds me a bit of 'Perle d'Or' and 'R M Finch'. Not quite like either, but enough to make me wonder if this could be a polyantha...
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| Pat, some of the HMF photos of SdSA look very similar indeed, while others have a look that I have not seen with this plant. Possibly, some of the photos have been misidentified? Is it a rose that you grow? Thanks, |
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| Christopher, I would say the flower is medium-sized- in the 2-3" diameter range... I'm not great with fragrance detection, and I haven't sniffed a bloom lately, but I THINK it has a nice, not very strong fragrance. Describing general habit is tricky because this rose shares a large pot with another plant that obscures the bush somewhat. I'd say it's probably about 4' with no great ambitions to achieve greater heights... There is a small cluster of (three?) buds in the 4th photo I posted- I can crop that photo for more detail if that would help. I appreciate the hint about Noisettes. I did look at some more Noisette photos, and found some photos of 'Narrow Water' that look soooo very similar, but the bloom is described as small, and that throws me. Perhaps this is a clone of 'NW' with fewer but larger flowers, or perhaps it's something else altogether. But it is a close resemblance, IMO. I would love to hear from anyone who grows 'Narrow Water' to hear about flower size, etc., and whether they think this is likely to be the same rose. Thanks, |
Here is a link that might be useful: Narrow Water photo at HMF
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- Posted by pat_bamaZ7 7 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 21, 14 at 20:43
| Virginia, I do grow SdSA in a large pot. It was new for me this year and is about 2 1/2 ft tall and wide now. Blooms are at least 3 inches and come individually and in small clusters of around 3. SdSA has a strong fragrance like SdlM. I can post pics tomorrow if that will help. If your rose has 2inch blooms in larger clusters, then maybe Marie Pavie, which I also grow in a pot. I don't grow Narrow Waters but I think it would be too big for a shared pot. |
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| I think Noisettes have a clove scent, like 'R. moschata', but I haven't sniffed one myself. 'Souvenir de St Anne', like its sport-parent, smells to me like Hyacinths --the Spring-blooming bulb. Polyanthas descending from 'R. multiflora', should have fringed stipules. Hope these clues help. :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by pat_bamaZ7 7 (My Page) on Mon, Sep 22, 14 at 10:34
| Here are pictures of my Souvenir de St. Anne’s (now that I'm seeing your pictures on a computer rather than my phone, I don't think the foliage is a match for this one) and Marie Pavie: SdSA
Marie Pavie
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This post was edited by pat_bamaZ7 on Mon, Sep 22, 14 at 12:15
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| Pat, those are beautiful, but I agree that this is probably something else. I'm glad you posted photos of 'MP' with a close-up view because now I finally 'get' why so many people like her. I always thought she was kinda nondescript, but up close she's very pretty. Thanks, |
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| Can you post pics of the foliage? I see it in some of the backgrounds, and it looks very unique to me, almost like a species rose. -Chris |
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| I will get foliage pix the next time I go visit her. I should have waited to post this until I had everything lined up, but somehow I just ended up posting what I had. I will double-check that I don't have better foliage shots already, but I don't think I do... Thanks, PS If you just looked at the first post, you might have missed the second set of pix I posted that do have somewhat better looks at the foliage... |
This post was edited by vmr423 on Tue, Sep 23, 14 at 21:01
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| I visited this rose yesterday, and took a few more pix. She wasn't blooming, so I couldn't refresh my memory re her fragrance. Here's what I got, and I don't think it is 'Narrow Water', after looking at the leaves.
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| Here's a thought -- could it possibly be the "fake" 'Mme Laurette Messimy' which is sold as the real thing by some nurseries? Look at the HelpMeFind page linked below to the "real thing." You'll see some pics of a sort of blowsy semi-double light pink flower with no flushes of yellow at the base -- this is what Antique Rose Emporium (among other places) sells as 'Mme Laurette Messimy.' :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Mme Laurette Messimy' at HelpMeFInd
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| Among the "fake" pics on the 'Mme Laurette Messimy' page is a set of comments which names a possible correct identity for the imposter -- 'Unermüdliche'. If the original gardener was an OGR fan, perhaps she bought it as 'MLM' from a place which was selling the imposter. I haven't seen the imposter in real life -- my 'MLM' came from Vintage Gardens, and its blooms are basically a pastel version of 'Comtesse du Cayla'. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Unermüdliche' at HelpMeFind
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| Hi Christopher- I definitely see a resemblance to some of the ersatz 'Mme Laurette' photos at HMF, but I'm not sure that the resemblance is strong enough to be the same rose. I know climate affects coloration, but I have not seen any darker color on the petals than what's shown in the photos I posted. Some of the faux 'MLM' photos at HMF were rather pink and stripey. The shape was fairly similar, but "my" flower tends to open up flat, and keep that shape for a good while. It is not impossible that the rose is a seedling, and not a named cultivar, but I did think that if it were a named variety that someone here might recognize it... Thanks, |
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