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shellfleur z7a/6b NY LI (
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Mon, Sep 2, 13 at 13:06
| I want a purple/dark red for a spot between 2 Belindas Dreams. I was considering a grouping of 3 of The Prince, but the photos of Munstead Wood make me wonder if one of those would be a better choice (not to mention, cheaper). I want a full, well-foliaged rounded bush, with big, purpley blooms. Scent is really important too. And my plan is to order grafted from Pickering for my acidic soil and cold winters that require more vigor to do well, at least Austins seem to perform better for me when grafted. What would you all suggest? |
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RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| I'm a big fan of Munstead Wood, but I haven't grown The Prince, so I can't really say which is better. However, I adore how the dark red/purple blooms of Munstead Wood practically glow--rich jewel tones, as you can see in this pic of my brand-new MW last spring. 
Obviously it is bigger now, but I can't really say how large the bush will become. My one question is whether either of these Austins will be as tall and full as Belinda's Dream is? I don't really know. helpmefind.com lists MW's height as just short of 3 ft., if that is any help. MW is highly fragrant. Hope that helps. Kate |
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 2, 13 at 15:31
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Thank you Kate and Hoovb. Kate, in my climate, Belinda's Dream has never gotten to be larger than a 3x2 plant. The blooms are incredible, however, and fairly constant throughout spring and summer. Behind these roses is a white fence with Ilsa Krohn Superior behind it, a huge white rose. I thought the dark blooms of either Munstead or The Prince would be a beautiful contrast and mix well with the pinks of Belinda. Further down in the same bed is Jude the Obscure and Quietness. The Prince is a small plant so I thought a trio would make a more substantial bush. There have been so many posts attesting to the beauty of Munstead Wood, so it has me curious. I used to have The Prince, but it was neglected and died. However, I still have the memory of how beautiful and scented the blooms were. This time, whichever plant I choose will be going into a prime location where it will be tended to with care. Thank you both for your input. |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| I have Munstead Wood planted this year (2 groups of 3). It's fabulous, I highly recommend. I haven't seen the purple that Kate gets, maybe that's just the youth of my plants, or perhaps my soil. I got mine from DA, and I believe they're grafted on Dr Huey. Anyhow, mine are a deep dark crimson. There's just the slightest shading towards pink as the blooms age. By comparison I also grow Falstaff which is dark red/pink aging to very pink. I've also seen the Prince and MW's blooms are much more impressive: larger, fuller, richer. Kate describes it perfectly - a glowing jewel tone. |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Ratdogheads, thanks for the recommendation. Munstead Wood sounds really beautiful. I think I will be going with MW for the area I described. However, I would like to learn more about Falstaff too. That sounds more pink, I guess (I'm ok with pink). I'm trying to branch out to some of DA's deeper, richer colors. I have quite a few OGRs that are intensely colored but my Austins have tended toward either the pale pinks or yellows. I find that the Austins tend to have the best rebloom in my yard, for whatever reason, I do not know. Kate, I forgot to thank you for that beautiful picture of Munstead Wood. I see what you mean by the glowing jewel tone. Thanks again, Shelley |
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| The Prince. I have 8 own root. They make a dramatic backdrop to Belinda's Dream. I just placed an order for 2 own root Tradescant, also David Austin
dark red//wine/aubergine roses. Munstead Wood is next on my shopping list! Where can I buy
an own root Munstead Wood? |
This post was edited by mauvegirl8 on Mon, Sep 2, 13 at 17:59
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| I have both the Prince and Munstead Wood, and I would go with MW. The Prince, about 4'X2 1/2', is a nice rose, but it just doesn't bloom that much for me. I love the shape of it, roundish, but upright with no floppiness. It would probably bloom a little more in more sun, but then the blooms would fry more quickly. Munstead Wood is new for me, but has been a nonstop bloomer and is growing quickly (the Prince was a slow grower). The blooms are lush and rich in color. The bush is much more round in form, but is floppier at this point (it's a baby, though) than the Prince. As far as Jude the Obscure is concerned, it can get huge, but will get off to a slow start. Diane |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Mauve girl, that is a gorgeous picture. Those blooms do go beautifully together. Diane, I like that MW blooms more often than The Prince. I want never-ending booms. Who doesn't!
:) Thanks both of you! |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Roses Unlimited has an own root Munstead Wood, and that's definitely on my buy list from them for this spring! Cynthia |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Falstaff is a grand rose. It has gorgeous perfectly shaped blooms, but sadly it's slow to repeat. The shrub is tall, upright, grows vigorously, and is very sturdy. Lots of big mean thorns. I spray routinely, and the foliage is very clean. It's been mostly cane hardy in a sheltered south facing bed. This photo shows the transition of color as the blooms age, but the color is rather washed out. Red roses are so tough to photograph! It's a good dark red to begin. |
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| Oh wow, Falstaff is gorgeous!! |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| I thought about your post today will I was working in the yard. My pick would be neither. I do not have the Prince, so I guess that is not fair, it might be a wonderful rose. But my favorite Austin in that color is Darcey Bussell. I have a pair of them and they are smaller than Belinda. But, other than maybe a week or two, they have had something blooming on them since they were planted. Tonight they have a dozen happy blooms waving across the patio at Belinda. They do not put on the show as Munstead can with a spray, but they also do not have the thorns and I will take that continuous bloom while waiting on a flush from Munstead. |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Hi Kippy, thanks for the suggestion. I will add Darcey Bussell to my short list of roses I am considering for that spot. I know what you mean about valuing some roses over others, simply because they have heart and strength. Sometimes the better plant is the one that is most always blooming rather than the one that has the amazing WOW factor but does not bloom as much. Just last week, I had been planning to SP a rose that someone had given me because I really just didn't like it. However, when I looked at it, blooming it's heart out in the heat, when all others had ceased, I just didn't have the heart. It deserves it's place in my garden. It will stay. Thanks again! Shelley |
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Nippstress, thanks for the tip! I called Roses Unlimited
and placed a spring order for own root Munstead Wood. |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Since this conversation has turned toward the darker David Austin roses, I think Heathcliffe will be available to us in the United States this year. (It was advertised in the last ARS magazine along with DA's other 2013 releases.) That might be something to consider as well -- if you're a gambling type and don't mind a rose grafted on Dr. Huey. From the two pictures so far on HMF, though, it doesn't look quite as dark as MW. It's about time we had a rose named Heathcliff :) |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Heathcliff is listed on a presale ad from Amstrong Nurseries here. Along with Boscobel. |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Heathcliff, hmmmm. I will check that one out too. And I have Sirens Keep on order from RVR, a Paul Barden rose. It's in the same color family so i should consider it, though I had planned to use it in a different location. |
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Wed, Sep 4, 13 at 0:54
| My first-year 'Darcey Bussell' has bloomed like crazy since going in the ground. This is going to be a good one. I haven't even fertilized it yet. Heathcliff I immediately think of Semaphore Wuthering Heights. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Semaphore Wuthering Heights
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Oh my, I can't quit laughing. I think I woke everyone in the house up...thanks for the laugh at midnight, hoovb. Diane |
RE: Munstead Wood or 3 of The Prince
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| Both Boscobel & Heathcliff are rated Very Hardy. Awesome. |
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