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| I posted earlier about a rose in a local cemetery, a white seemingly once-bloomer. I have permission to propagate it from the city Forrester. While I was having a conversation with him, I brought up the possibility of planting more roses in the cemetery. It is a historical site operated by the city, and I believe it could be a beautiful place to display old roses. I explained about the Sacramento cemetery and their rose collection. I am awaiting an answer as it stands. But in light of this I wanted to ask the community here. If you had the space and conditions of a cemetery, what roses would you plant? My location has high temps during the summer, a temperate winter, high humidity, and drought-like conditions from June-September. We also get Blackspot heavily here. So are there are any roses you all can think of that would deserve a spot? Perhaps your best performers? Antique Roses only please! I already have Reve d'Or, Duchesse de Brabant, and Crepusucle in mind. Josh |
This post was edited by JoshTx on Thu, Sep 12, 13 at 2:26
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| Josh, I believe children's graves often had polyanthas planted on them since these small roses seemed very appropriate for a child or baby. Sadly, there were many of these in past times, and even now it makes me sad to think about that. White Pet would be a great choice since it's so healthy and blooms so much. If they don't have disease issues in that type of climate, I would recommend Souvenir de la Malmaison and its sports because these roses bloom so often and are fragrant. Mutabilis would be wonderful for a large background rose, again with the same caveat. Climbing La France would be beautiful for a pink climber, and very fragrant. Mrs. Dudley Cross would be a lovely rose for a cemetery with its soft coloring, and since it's a tea it should do well there. Of course there are many other choices that could come under consideration. Ingrid |
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| What I had meant to do first and foremost, Josh, was to commend you for your wonderful idea and for taking the first step to see whether it would be feasible. How lovely the cemetery would look if this were to work out. Ingrid |
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| Josh, do yourself (and all who visit the cemetery) a favor and plant the Earth Kind Roses which have been tested IN Texas. There are Earth Kind trials elsewhere, also, so make sure they're the Texas tested ones. There are five different black spot races in the US and they are all different. What is resistant to one type is not necessarily resistant to any of the others. Those tested IN TEXAS would be the most likely to be healthier in your climate and conditions as well as perform better with less care than anything, anyone of us could possibly suggest. The only way a suggestion of a specific variety made from anywhere else could have any validity in your climate, would be if the other climate had exactly the same race or races of black spot yours does. Unfortunately, there is no "master list" of which races live where, so those are all going to be hit and miss. Planting the Texas Earth Kind roses, or those promoted as durable, drought tolerant and healthy by The Antique Rose Emporium there in Texas, would be your best chances for success. Kim |
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| I am in Texas too and some Earth Kind roses that have done well for me are Katy Road Pink, The Fairy, Cecile Brunner, La Marne, Duchesse de Brabant, Caldwell Pink, Ducher and Mutabilis. Some of them may, however, grow too large for the available space. I really hope you get permission to carry out your neat project! |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Wed, Sep 11, 13 at 22:34
| Josh, that sounds like a beautiful idea. Maybe you could start with the easiest to grow and work from there. Maybe there is someone who could donate compost and the city might donate some free mulch. My friend Robert used to say a lot of good comes from not being afraid to ask. |
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| Thanks for the input! Mr. Rupert, I did intend to start with the Earth-kind varieties. Eventually, I would like to be able to include other disease and drought resistant cultivars as well. The Teas should do well here as well as the Chinas, I believe. I already have a few non-Earthkind types in mind that I know will do well in our conditions. Josh |
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- Posted by organic_tosca 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Thu, Sep 12, 13 at 17:05
| I second Porkpal's submission of "Mlle. Cecile Brunner" - it dovetails with Ingrid's suggestion of polyanthas being used for children's graves. The Sacramento Cemetery's Historic Rose Garden has several of them, and they bloom wonderfully and are very well-foliaged. I understand that this rose was often used to mark the grave of a child or infant. Our climate is similar to yours except for one very important trait: humidity. We have little blackspot in our garden because it's generally pretty low humidity here. Teas do well here, and we have a lot of them - and, of course, they have room to grow and be themselves. We also have a number of Hybrid Perpetuals, and they do tend to get rust here, more some years than others. But when they are good, they are gorgeous. Someone mentioned Mrs. Dudley Cross - it grows beautifully here. I do think that if blackspot is your worst enemy there, it would be good to find out which roses are most susceptible to it. Anyway, GREAT idea, and good luck with it! We will look forward to hearing how you get on. |
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| Find out what roses are 'family' roses in your area. Many older cemeteries have newsletters. An article in there asking for people to share cuttings of their family roses might bring some really great roses and those roses have probably survived with not a lot of TLC. Two family roses that I can think of locally may make you smile. One is R. multiflora and the family bought it in the late 1800s; there's a picture they have of a small multiflora and their new house and no city in the background. Another family rose is The Fairy which came east to Tennessee from the family homeplace in the Dakotas. Just because we might think of them as less than special doesn't mean that they don't deserve inclusion as family roses. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Thu, Sep 12, 13 at 18:35
| I am voting for cl. pinkie which makes a beautiful fountain as a freestanding plant. I planted one for my best friend and after year 4 it has not stopped making flowers. All it gets to eat is the tree leaves he rakes up and dumps on it. Well, I throw fruit peels under it and watermelon rinds and whatever we are having when I am over there. It gets sprinkler water three or four times a week. Before he installed the sprinklers, it struggled a bit, but now that it gets water at least twice a week it is a very happy plant. |
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| I had the great opportunity to visit Farmers' Branch today and spend a couple hours meandering through their Earth-Kind trial gardens. This gave me a great idea about which roses to plant in the cemetery (permission pending). The list is as follows: Duchesse de Brabant All of these roses were not only HUGE (My god, Duchesse de Brabant was an unbelievable 10 feet tall), but all had fantastic fragrances as well. And yes, Austin roses were there too! Treated the same as the other EK varieties, they were doing great. Ambridge Rose was the second best rose in the garden, and if it reached the heights of DdB might've even been the best one there. I also, quite happily may I add, discovered that I CAN smell Tea fragrance. My young DdB is not smelly yet and I feared thw apparent lack of fragrance was due to my lack of a Tea-scent inclined sniffer. I'll start a thread to show all of the pictures I snapped. Next week I'm heading to the Chambersville Tree Rose Garden to find more varieties for my little project. Josh |
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| Josh, that looks like a great list, and my only doubt would be Cl. Cecile Brunner which will not only get absolutely huge, but in many gardens only blooms once. There is a smaller version that stills grows quite large, and then the polyantha version, and perhaps one of those would be a better idea, or even Cl. Pinkie, which Kitty suggests, which is a really darling rose and blooms a lot more, which would still allow you to have one of the smaller versions of Mlle. Cecile Brunner. Ingrid |
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| Josh, it's a great idea! One other suggestion which may help in your choices is to think about the dates on the gravestones and pick roses which were popular (or at least introduced) during the lifetime of the person buried there. :-) ~Christopher |
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| Hi Josh, What a lovely idea! I really hope it works out. I don't remember exactly where you are in Texas. I guess I should pay more attention. There is a rose nursery called Humming bird Hill in central Texas that grows own roots that are also supposedly no spray. On their website is a 2011 list of available roses which includes several older roses found at homesteads and cemeteries there. Maybe some are worth investigating? These roses are not listed on their For Sale list on HMF and may not be available any longer but it can't hurt to see. Good luck! |
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| Thank you for mentioning Hummingbird Hill, Kes. I'm always interested in seeing what nurseries offer. Hummingbird Hill has some rather interesting roses. Among them are several Ray Ponton creations. Ray is a lovely gentleman who lives in Taylor, Texas. He's been breeding for heat tolerance and black spot resistance there in Texas for many years. You might find some of his roses very useful in the Cemetery, Josh. They would definitely be worth looking at. Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Hummingbird Hill Nursery
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